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Table redistibutions.

edited December 2011 in Poker Chat
I've mentioned this in answering a question in "that blog", but I'd like an official position on it.

When a player is taken from one table to fill a space at another table (to keep even player numbers), I was under the impression that it was the player in the big-blind that got moved. This doesn't happen on Sky - any reason?
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  • edited May 2011
    also why does it seem when down to final 2 tables always get 4 of top 6 on 1 table consistently not just a 1 off??
  • edited May 2011
    very good question i got moved late in a tourney with sky after being BB & SB to a table where they sat me where i was instantly BB again i payed that and SB, then repeated this again in which case i was now becoming a short stack and ended up losing as i was in jam or fold mode
  • edited May 2011
    I'm with you young-gun (although not in the moob department).

    I think someone told the programmer to take the big-stack (rather than the big blind) from the table. Thus the big stacks end up together. I have NEVER been at the sharp end of a tournie when there hasn't been 5 of the top 6 on 1 table (when down to 2 tables), and often 4 of the top 6 are on 1 table when we are at 30+ runners. Tikay assures me I'm wrong, but I can't see it.
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    I'm with you young-gun (although not in the moob department). I think someone told the programmer to take the big-stack (rather than the big blind) from the table. Thus the big stacks end up together. I have NEVER been at the sharp end of a tournie when there hasn't been 5 of the top 6 on 1 table (when down to 2 tables), and often 4 of the top 6 are on 1 table when we are at 30+ runners. Tikay assures me I'm wrong, but I can't see it.
    Posted by Eyeman
    Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lol yep i dont understand it as it always seems to happen so it cant be completely random imo and would love to hear sky's thoughts on this, on other sites it is very random and this doesn't happen? is it to do with the software?
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    I'm with you young-gun (although not in the moob department). I think someone told the programmer to take the big-stack (rather than the big blind) from the table. Thus the big stacks end up together. I have NEVER been at the sharp end of a tournie when there hasn't been 5 of the top 6 on 1 table (when down to 2 tables), and often 4 of the top 6 are on 1 table when we are at 30+ runners. Tikay assures me I'm wrong, but I can't see it.
    Posted by Eyeman
    The customer is always right. Except in this case. Fact. ;)
  • edited May 2011
    I'm prepared to accept this, Tikay, but not in the case of the high blind not being the player moved. Why?
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions. : The customer is always right. Except in this case. Fact. ;)
    Posted by Tikay10
    Can you not get someone technical to post how they decide who is moved? i dont believe its random because so often when i run deep will always be all the bigstacks on 1 table thats just not coinicidence i reckno its probably a flaw in the software
  • edited May 2011

    Many times in mtt's I have commented in the chat box that the average stack is x therefore the table should be 6x, approximately, and on more occassion than not, a high percentage of the larger stacks are on the same table.

    Only last night in a £2 bh mtt, I was on a table with 3 of the top stacks out of approx 40 runners!!!! 
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    I'm prepared to accept this, Tikay, but not in the case of the high blind not being the player moved. Why?
    Posted by Eyeman
    Thanks Graham.

    In B & M poker, it is always (or should always.....) be the Big Blind that is moved, & they are moved to the worst possible seat on their new Table.

    Generally, in Online Poker it is done randomly, by, I assume (I don't know for sure) the RNG.

    It is true to say that doing it this way, it sometimes disadvantages the moved player. But it would be equally fair to say that it just as often advantages the moved player. Poker players notice when it disadvantages them, & fail to notice when they get a "good" move.

    On balance, it confers no real advantage either way in the longer term. Poker, like life, is not always fair - we don't like it when a really good player is to our immediate left, & our mate, on the next Table, has a table full of not so good players. That's not fair, either, but it's how poker works, really.

    The same debate has raged for years in B & M poker, but really, I don't know why, we just need to ride with the punches, & remember that it cuts both ways, it just as often favours us as it does not.
  • edited May 2011
    As I speak - 2 tournaments at the sharp end. 5 of top 6 on 1 table (chip leader on other). In other tournament 13 players left. 3 of top 5 on 1 table. Other has 4 of top 5 (prepared to believe that's an even split). I wil lrevisit this thread throughout the day with updates!
  • edited May 2011
    30 players left on 5 tables. 3 of top 6 on 1 table. (I am not picking and choosing here)
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    Many times in mtt's I have commented in the chat box that the average stack is x therefore the table should be 6x, approximately, and on more occassion than not, a high percentage of the larger stacks are on the same table. Only last night in a £2 bh mtt, I was on a table with 3 of the top stacks out of approx 40 runners!!!! 
    Posted by kaymac
    "many times", yes, but by design (or by design fault), no.

    Did you not see the Semi-Final of the SPT at Leeds last week, which was a LIVE Tourney? 

    All the big stacks were on 1 table, & that is often the case. "Many times" in fact.

    There is nothing sinister about it, nothing at all. Why would there be? I mean, really, why would there be? Why is it in anyone's interest to mess with random distribution? The motive is what, exactly?

    People complain about this (why? - I WANT the big stacks on my table ffs!), so presumably, they prefer to be on the Table full of shorties. I've yet to see someone complain about that being on a table full of shorties, though....... 
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    As I speak - 2 tournaments at the sharp end. 5 of top 6 on 1 table (chip leader on other). In other tournament 13 players left. 3 of top 5 on 1 table. Other has 4 of top 5 (prepared to believe that's an even split). I wil lrevisit this thread throughout the day with updates!
    Posted by Eyeman
    Graham, a few random examples proves nothing, & you know it. Your sample size needs to be 6 or 7 figures, 100,000+ examples, not a handful.

    You seem to be fixated about this - don't be, it makes no sense, think motive.
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions. : Can you not get someone technical to post how they decide who is moved? i dont believe its random because so often when i run deep will always be all the bigstacks on 1 table thats just not coinicidence i reckno its probably a flaw in the software
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    It is random.

    It is not a flaw in the software.

    "Selective memory" plays some wonderful tricks on poker players.

    How exactly do you explain what happened at Leeds last SAturday, in the Semi-Final of the SPT, & it happens frequently, everywhere, Live & Online.

    Anf why, as a mstter of interest, do you consider it a bad thi8ng.

    I'll bet you all the tea in China that ANY (long-term) winning MTT player WANTS to be on the Table with the Big Stacks, all day & all night. How else do they get chips, & become winning players?
  • edited May 2011
    I don't think it's a "fix", I think it's a software misprogramme. If you always moved the high blind (why wouldn't you), then we'd all be happy.
  • edited May 2011

    Guys, it's a self-perpetuating & myth & a self-fulfilling prophecy, all this "the big stacks are always on one table, it's unfair".

    They are not, & it is not.



  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    I don't think it's a "fix", I think it's a software misprogramme. If you always moved the high blind (why wouldn't you), then we'd all be happy.
    Posted by Eyema
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    If only........;)
  • edited May 2011
    Its not a case of sky rigging it to this affect i said it could be a flaw, its not selective memory i and loads of players i speak with think the same. i dont believe in any of the rigged theories but it does seem strange that all the big stacks always seem to end up together? maybe you are unaware and the software always moves the big stack? again i dont know im just enquirying and no offence Tikay you probably dont know as your not the one who designed the software is there anyone technical who can explain how works thats all im asking really
  • edited May 2011
    By doing something non-standard, you give credence to the fix. It is no harder sortware-wise, to always move the high blind - then you comply with normal poker-tournament rules.
    Much as it's good to be with the big-stacks, there are occasions early in tournaments, when it's great to be the chip bully. I accept that when I triple up and knock 2 players out, my table is likely to split, and so i might find myself on a table where someone else has just been knocked out (hence another big stack).
    As you say, it's all perception, BUT shift the high blind when nicking 1 player from the table, and I think the conspiracy theorists (who are normally content) will be appeased.
  • edited May 2011


    Still not sure whether this is going to get moved to Technical Queries or Area51....

    carry on...as you were.
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    Its not a case of sky rigging it to this affect i said it could be a flaw, its not selective memory i and loads of players i speak with think the same. i dont believe in any of the rigged theories but it does seem strange that all the big stacks always seem to end up together? maybe you are unaware and the software always moves the big stack? again i dont know im just enquirying and no offence Tikay you probably dont know as your not the one who designed the software is there anyone technical who can explain how works thats all im asking really
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    It would be strange if they did, but they do not. That is a fact.

    "seem" is the operative word.

    I have no idea how the software is programmed, & I don't think, being logical, I need to. It's equally illogical to suggest it is a BAD thing to be on the "big stacks" Table, & players in their thousand repreat that mantra. That does not make it any more logical, or even correct.
  • edited May 2011
    when balancing the tables sky always take the player that is about to become the dealer. once you know this it is very easy to predict who will be moved and I do so with 100% accuracy
  • edited May 2011

    I didnt say its a negative just a mere observation i have made, it has its pros and cons like everything can win more chips so you have better chance of winning & also changes the whole dynamics

    all i have asked if there is a specific rule re: moving people, obviously it evens tables out but is there anything else? Tikay i respect you alot but surely you cant answer this question? one would assume everything is hunky dory

  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions. : Graham, a few random examples proves nothing, & you know it. Your sample size needs to be 6 or 7 figures, 100,000+ examples, not a handful. You seem to be fixated about this - don't be, it makes no sense, think motive.
    Posted by Tikay10
    This.


  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    I didnt say its a negative just a mere observation i have made, it has its pros and cons like everything can win more chips so you have better chance of winning & also changes the whole dynamics all i have asked if there is a specific rule re: moving people, obviously it evens tables out but is there anything else? Tikay i respect you alot but surely you cant answer this question? one would assume everything is hunky dory
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    OK, that's fine by me.
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    when balancing the tables sky always take the player that is about to become the dealer. once you know this it is very easy to predict who will be moved and I do so with 100% accuracy
    Posted by sweetylady
    I actually noticed this last time someone shifted. If it is consistent, this is appalling. You've just paid the blinds and can look forward to stealing / making moves from the button. An easy bit of software jiggery-pokery to sort it out please, Sky.
  • edited May 2011
    I like getting moved to a big stacks table cause they seem to like to play every hand and spew the thing that does confuse and bother me though is a quite a few times i will pay my sb & bb then get moved to another table and instantly be put in the BB again which ends up when late in a tournament and blinds are not getting any smaller making me one of the short stacks, but the getting moved to the big stacks tables doesn't bother me aslong as i get the double ups i want of course :o)
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    when balancing the tables sky always take the player that is about to become the dealer. once you know this it is very easy to predict who will be moved and I do so with 100% accuracy
    Posted by sweetylady
    Sweetylady is correct. When there are two tables are remaining and a bust out means a player gets moved it is always the player who would have been dealer that goes. Lea116311 noticed this and pointed it out to me, it is 100% reliable.
  • edited May 2011
    It might be reliable but then surley thats not right. Imagine sitting with 10BB on the bubble +1 move onto the bubble youve just posted your blinds and now had 8.5BB still a reasonable shoving stack which will likley pick you back to 10BB within the next few hands, but your the guy thats moved and pay again. Now you have 7BB and are at a huge disadvantage.

    C'Mon sky.

    Not going to get involved in this debate too much but seriously theres a time and thats not one.
  • edited May 2011
    Don, it's clear Sky ave made a serious programming error here. If they are moving the player due to be on the button, it's a disgrace, and one that adversely affects the small stacks (as you say - pay 2 blinds, then lose the option to try and make them back - move to another table, and possibly straight into the BB again).

    I love Sky Poker, Tikay, but you can't defend this (I've just watched a tournament to see, and it's true).
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