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Not such a great session tonight but again I got off to a terrible start and managed to get myself back a bit closer to even (still a significant loss tho). Was good fun playing against you tonight Fail although it just went there was 1 less easy spot going in the final 3. So I played 21 and only won 9 of them
Played 275
Won 158
Profit/Loss +£68.30
Win Rate 57.45%
Bit of a painful drop in BR tonight but it's nothing that I can't be won back in 1 good session. Is it just me or can these often all be decided on one shove? I dunno if I'm playing them wrong and I'm being too aggressive towards the end but I lost count of the numbers of times I shoved and walked into AA/KK/QQ tonight...
Poker Points = 1314
League Points = 1085
Paul
In the game I played with you tonight you had 2 x most players stack yet you repeatedly shoved all in.
How many chips do you win doing that - probably just the blinds.
Who is going to call you - someone with an above average hand. Which is what happened and you lost half your stack. ... 'I lost count of the numbers of times I shoved and walked into AA/KK/QQ tonight...': if you keep shoving all in, you will.
Even after you lost half your stack you shoved all in way to many times, imo. During the game you said you were shoving all in because (unusually) we were up to level 8, all 6 were still in and we all had less than 10 x big blinds. I feel even more reason to play hyper tight.
Let the others panic and bash each other up and you play your solid starting hands knowing that there's a good chance you will pick up someone elses desparate I'll-shove-with-2-mediocre-cards-trying-to-pinch-the-blinds-becasue-they-are-so-big-compared-to-my-stack bet.
What does it matter if 1 or 2 other players double up a couple of times beacuse they are being aggressive - that's exactly what you want to happen, and you want them to win more.
Hey, everyone plays differently (which is just as well!) but I know I love it when there's a player who at any stage of the game keeps going all in. Here, have my blinds because if he keeps doing that I know the chances are I'm going to catch him.
DYMs are not about being first, they are about being in the first 3.
Yeh was good fun Lamby, will be searching you out tomorrow... need to actually win an all in situation against you!
I think you may be partly right Doubleblow and I might sometimes be a bit too aggressive towards the end, but it is mostly justified. Shanxta is right that I'lll walk into them huge hands very rarely and so probably 80% of the time, you're gonna make people fold, and the other 20% when they do call, more often than not the worst case scenario is you're 40/60 which isn't terrible.
I do stand by my comment in the chatbox that if I've got 10BB and I'm gonna play a hand, then there is NO other option than to shove. How can you min-raise then fold to a shove and throw 20% of your chips away instantly??
Plus, I don't do it unnecessarily, like if I'm on 6k, two guys are on 2.5k and one guy is on 1k, say blinds are 200/400 then I almost completely lock up, and wait for big hands. But when you have say 4k, two have 3k and one guy has 2k, same blinds as before, I still only have 10BBs, I'm FAR from safe to cash, say 2 orbits without a steal and thats 1200 chips gone, so I can't take my foot off the gas.
Anyone have thoughts on my thoughts above?
You have no reason to get involved and frankly you can fold all hands except AA/KK
Not your job to knock em out, it's your job to consildate your position.
Although JC would prob agree with you so you're probably right.
Another bad session again today... as is the pattern with all my losing sessions, I seem to get off to a horrible start, then dig in deep and manage to claw some back. Played 18, won 8, which yeah isn't a great session but it looked alot more ugly until I won the last 4 games in a row lol. So...
Played 293
Won 166
Profit/Loss +£49.30
Win Rate 56.65%
Well this has certainly been a horrible couple of days in terms of the challenge, but I'm glad I managed to win 4 in a row at the end and keep my BR just above the £200 mark. And hey I'm still up £50 since starting plus £15 C4P so it could be alot worse. I know I just gotta ride out the variance
Poker Points = 1404
League Points = 1141
Paul
Do you think this is a leak in my game... the fact I quite often start sessions badly, then think ARGH! start concentrating more and taking alot less risks and I always seem to increase my success.
You think I'm being lazy at the start of my sessions? Just Llamas (Emma - my girlfriend) pointed it out to me when I was talking to her about my session. I'm definitely gonna try and bring my losing concentrating game to the start of the session next time. Perhaps I've got a bit less strict after a few hundred games and then losing a few makes me snap out of it and go back to JC mode lol.
EDIT: here's you're results for the last 200 games by hour of day;
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Quick fix = don't play at 6pm :P
If you have had a good seesion before then you may start the next a bit lazy brain.
Thanks for doing that graph Fail, it's definitely given my a kick up the bum to stop playing straight after getting home from work.
Just a thought, GL
The HUD and any other programs don't work for Sky, if you're looking to try it out, go for the 1 month - 150 searches obviously it's cheaper (per month) if you get a longer package but this is best if you want to trial it.
Oh BTW that is $15.99 or about £10
I generally use sharkscope if I'm trying a game above my BR, or if I'm having a downswing at my current buyin level, eg last week I had a £30 downswing so I started scoping to get my confidence back and won 8 out of 9 next games which brought me back up nicely.
Ohh and soon i'm gonna have my first proper attempt at the £11s, i'll be scoping each lobby before I join to give myself the best chance, at the very least it's a confidence boost
@ YG - Yeah I think it's a mixture of both things you said. More so me not being in the right mind frame though, cos I'm pretty confident I can beat the best of 'em at this level.
Good playing with you tonight, hope you ended up with a decent profit, I'm sure you did. I've just been on that thread you asked me about and posted some thoughts. Hope it doesn't come off in a bad way, just thought there might be a couple of things to look at. FWIW, I can never fold that on the river lol, ul.
Also just to comment about you kicking off sessions badly. I have done this countless times in the past, lol. I do definately think there's a correlation there, because I used to literally roll out of bed and be playing within 5 minutes. Once I saw the problem, I started going down for breakfast (or at least a cuppa) first, then there was a notable improvement. I think it could be the same with you (albeit you sit down straight after work). Basically, I think you just need to do something, it doesn't matter what, whatever suits you personally, so that you can sit down and say, 'Ok, I'm ready to play well'. I really like rancid's post on the subject, not sure how much of it was slightly tongue in cheek, but some great ideas there I think.
Just a final point, which applies a lot more when your playing more tables tbh. It took me a while to work this out when it should be the most obvious thing in the world really. If you load a few games up, of course you're more likely to lose some at first, a win generally takes 40 minutes. A couple of coolers could happen in levels 1 or 2. So it looks like you're, say, 0/2 when really your not as your still alive in the others. Hmmmm, hope that makes some sense I'm pretty tired lol.
Keep up the good work anyway mate...
I was going to question you about that actually... you said in your guide that if you're gonna stick to the 22 BI rule then you should play no more than 2 tables. So I have been sticking to playing 2 tables, but you said you me you were going onto mini view which I only do if I'm playing more than 2 tables due to space on screen (so I assume this is the case for you). What are your thoughts on BRM if I was to play 3-4 at a time??
Profit update for tonight's session is coming next!
Bit of a better session than the last 2 days. Still not hugely profitable but I felt alot better about it tonight, didnt jump on as soon as I got home and was in a better mindset when I sat down to play. So I played 17, won 10.
Played 310
Won 176
Profit/Loss +£55.80
Win Rate 56.77%
Well I broke through the 300 games mark tonight and I managed to make about £7 of profit which is quite welcome after my last 2 sessions...
Leaving it a bit last minute if I do intend to make it to 2000 Poker Points but hey it's still do-able lol. But I wont be pushing, sacrificing the quality of my game just to get more volume in.
Poker Points = 1489
League Points = 1211
League Rank = 59th (still got a lot of work to do, almost a 1/3 of the way through the quarter now)
Paul
Why I wouldn't recommend 4 tabling with 20 buy-ins is because I wouldn't want anyone to lose 20% of their 'roll through misfortune, tilt or poor play. Easily done. If you're asking for my honest opinion on what sort of roll/tables you should be playing, I would say the following. These figures are because I know you are quite serious about the challenge and about building your bankroll up:
20 buy-ins for 2 tabling
30 buy-ins for 3 tabling
40 buy-ins for 4 tabling
Obviously play as many tables as you are comfortable with, don't just load 4 up because you have 40 buy-ins at a level, stick with 3 if that's more comfortable, or whatever. Also, tailor those figures as you see fit if I have misunderstood your position, ie risk aversion level.
Point I was trying to make in an earier post Lambert is that I feel there is a leak in your game. You are too aggressive. DYMs aren't the same as cash games or multi-table tourneys. Its a different mindset - its still poker BUT you aren't trying to be first. If you go all in you are putting ALL your chips at risk. You were chip leader, put all your chips in and lost half your chips - ask yourself, why? A smaller but still big bet would probably be sufficient to bump people off unless they have a good starting hand. If you go all in pre-flop and you get called and you haven't got a cracking starting hand the chances are you are in trouble.
You have 3000 chips, say. Blinds are 200 - 400 and you have AK. You are UTG, what do you bet? I would say about 1200. 2.5 to 3x the big blind in that situation will make all but serious good starting hands fold. If you get re-raised what do you do? You know its very likely the re-raise has a very good starting hand. With AK you may well call, in DYM I would probably fold - yes fold with an AK. I've still got 1800 chips left if I fold.
Why? If I call I'm all in. Chances are I'm behind and I have to hit to win. But the thing is I have a choice. I can take in to account what I know about that player and the size of their chip stack. If I'm already all in I don't have a choice. And if I've got raised in that situation the chances are I've been raised by a big pair.
Cash game - no way am I folding. MTT, 80% - 90% of the time I'm not folding. DYMs 80% - 90% of the time I will be folding.
The DYM mindset is tight, tight, tight.
How many times have you seen 2 big stacks slugging it out in DYMs? Lots. Stupid. If you go in to the flop with big stack, 2nd big stack and 1 other, and then the 1 other folds to a raise post flop, do you then go all out to win that hand? No. You've already done what you needed to do and that is to make sure that one of the smaller stacks loses their chips.
Unless you have the nuts, if 1st and 2nd stack are left in the pot then what you do is keep the pot as small as you can and either get a moderate win or minimise your loses. Your not trying to beat the 1st or 2nd stack you are trying to make sure that youe keep down and put out the 4th, 5th and 6th stack.
Yes, this will mean that sometime you will get bullied of a pot. I don't care. As long as 1 of the first 3 stacks wins and one of the last 3 stacks loses, its job done. I want the big stack to win chips, even if I'm not big stack because that means one of the smaller stacks has just lost chips and I'm closer to the money.
Anyway, its late, I'm probably a bit drunk and maybe I'm rambling but I know the way I play works for me - I'm currently getting 17% avg ROI on DYMs which isn't too shabby. Admittedly I'm not playing the same volume of games as you but I'm well in profit and just about bankrolled to move up to £11 DYMs.
By the way, I reserve the right to totally change the way I play when we meet on the tables ^_^
Good luck!
Not a great session tonight in terms of financial gain lol but I think I'd played pretty well and I just got unlucky in a few races on the bubble. Had pocket 44s beat me twice, once I had QQ, and once I had AJs (ok so it's a flip) and he flops quads! lol. So played 12 and only won 6
Played 322
Won 182
Profit/Loss +£49.80
Win Rate 56.52%
Still plodding along, pretty happy with my game, just need a bit of run good (or at least just not run bad) to help give my BR a bit of a boost so I can give the £11 games a whirl. Sadly didn't make it to 2000 points but at least I got £15 C4P. Definitely do better in November though...
October Poker Points = 1554
League Points = 1253
Paul