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Tonight's Sunday Roller - with James & Trevor (***OFFICIAL LIVE SHOW THREAD***)
Hello, it's me again!
At 9pm, I'll be joined in the Sky Poker studio by Trevor Harris. We'll be following the progress of the players in the £8k Guaranteed Sunday Roller (which starts at 7pm - register HERE).
Expect four hours of live coverage of this tournament on channel 865, plus plenty of poker chat. Our strategy topic for the evening will be...
SHORT STACK PLAY
In the mid-late stages of a tournament, how do you play a <15bb stack?
Are you open-shoving, or looking for spots to come over the top of an opening raise?
Does the absence of antes on Sky Poker allow you to narrow your shoving range?
Do you think it's acceptable to raise-fold with this stack size?
Are you still willing to call a min-raise in the big blind with a marginal hand?
You know what to do - e-mail your contributions and questions to skyopen@bskyb.com or post in this forum thread.
Comments
Can't answer the ante question as I've never played in a game with antes! Something I'd like to see on Sky, not in every tournament though. Don't imagine I'd play much differently with them, to be honest.
Looking forward to another great show tonight.
Short Stack Play
I did actually ask a question about this on the GPC recently and it was very briefly discussed on Chatbox with Carlo, but yeah <15BBs, is definitely a shove or fold stack, whether it be an open shove or a rejam. I do think the lack of antes should allow you to narrow your range because you're losing less chips per orbit and so can afford to wait longer for a hand to shove before getting to a point where you basically have to shove any 2 or be blinded out. With antes you also have to make sure you don't go too low because with antes included, the smaller your shove, them antes can give the big stacks much better odds and can encourage them to call with virtually any 2.
I don't think you can bet/fold this stack and if you've been min-raised and you're on the BB, you need to make a decision there and then, shove or fold. I don't recommend flat calling pre for about 15-20% of your stack hoping to hit when you won't 2/3 of the time.
minraise/folding ftw
Keep 'em coming!
I think it is a personal decison at what stage you shove, I think 15 BB,s is enough to play with, but, depends on the table as well, if you spot someone who will fold to a shove for instance, or if you have the nuts, it may be worthwhile shoving as they will hopefuly think you are trying to steal, but I would probs go as low as 5, 6 or 7 BB,s.
If I'd walked away from the table made a cuo of coffee and just let my stack drip away I would have cashed.
I'm a very bad poker player but the point I'm trying to make is I made the mistake of convincing myself I had to shove with only 10 bb left when in truth I should have reacted to circumstances and should never set a ratio of big blinds to induce shoving
Use blinds as a benchmarks not tablets set in stone!
I guess thats why Redmond, Wayne, Scotty77 and Peg 1 etc are so good. As with most sports natural timing is the difference between mediocrity and excellence
imo i think you can raise 2xbb-2.5bb and fold depending on your opponent if the opponent is really tight for example and you know they are not goin 2 come over the top unless they have a big hand well i`m goin 2 keep doin it until they get that big hand.regards to open shove with 15bbs is far too much imo you can go right down to 7-10bbs and look to get the chips in but like the don said i`m always looking for spots to re-shove over an opponents initial raise with 10-15bbs that is opening a lot of pots but also can fold a hand.
440008285Hold'em£8k Sunday RollerNo Limit100.00/200.008103.7416507.48-8103.74DetailsLove the show still mind
Thanks for the compliments on my short stack chat...
Just got a question that I've asked various people at Sky before and not had an answer yet. The SPT event I'm trying to get to this year will be Blackpool because it's the only one close to Liverpool, and this year the event is a 2day £220 Bounty Hunter. Has it been decided yet how much of the buy-in will be a headprize, just thinking if alot of people who have satellited in could knock one person out and make a decent profit then it's gonna be a CRAZY tournament... so you think it might be say 25% of the buy-in is head prize instead of 50% or what?
Thanks
Paul
Firstly what stage of the tournament is it?. If it is early on then a 15BB shove will get called down for definate. If it is late on then 15BB could easily be an average stack and therefore you are not sat in a bad position at all. It is only in the middle stages when it becomes harder to know how to deal with them.
Secondly if my stack were down to that level the first thing i would be doing is making sure i have classified the players on my table whether loose or tight. This information will allow me to steal blinds off the right people and also to make sure that any marginal 3-bet shove is being done against an opponent who is wide enough to fold.
Unable to comment on the ante front because i have never played with them.
hey guys great show as always, just bubbled and im gutted i didnt at least cash, but it was my 1st roller so i think reaching the ft was a good effort lol i was in to minds wether to fold the qq which knocked me out with there being a super short stack at the table, do you think it was the correct play to shove the qq like i did or should i have folded to try and at least min cash?
Hi James, i have sent you a pm re tomorrows BH.
can anyone tell me when the show will get repeated? i had sky plus'ed it but think my sister cancelled the recording to record something else :0
Hi great show chaps as ever!
Have to diagree with you James about the Matrix Reloaded, I thought that one was ok just because of the ''freeway chase'' scene - total action which I based Film studies coursework on and got a B!
The third isn't great though.
Come on the Panthers... Cam Newton FTW
On the subject of short stacks, it's not just about shoving when you get short, you need to be aware of the other stacks at the table. If the others are quite shallow then you can easily get down to 5 or 6 BBs and still be able to steal. If the others are sitting there with 30 or 40 BBs then 10 - 12 becomes a better "stealing stack"!
Your range of shoving hands is also important. If you get called it's better to have cards that work together rather than something like 10 3 off. At least give yourself an opportunity to improve if you shove with less than a premium hand.
With antis in play, you have to be aware how quickly your stack will diminish (something like 2.1/2 bb per orbit instead of 1.1/2) and therefore below 16 BBs you are short stacked but again other stacks and your position should dictate when and who you should shove into.
Great show, as always, and what about them 49s...unbelievable!
Chris
i actually took your advice james and recorded both the repeats just to make sure its definatly recorded
on the thread of short stacking once i think you can let yourself get down to 7-8bbs at the lowest, but you should shove any 2 once you get this low, its best to shove cards at 10bbs as your less likely to get called light by a big stack, also once below 15bbs you should never bet fold imo, your just wasting chips
i personally prefare shoving suited connectors like 67 or 89 as to cards such as k10 or q9, because if you get called by ak or aq your cards are live and you are not dominated, unless they have a high pocket pair of course lol