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It would seem to me that Omaha and omaha Hi lo are only of interest to a minority on Sky. Omaha is getting more popular, but Hi Lo will never reach sufficient popularity as long as Sky insist on the minimum level of DYMs at £2.25, and no £3.30 level. the £1.10 MTT tournaments during the day attract 16 to 20 players, are terrific in structure and are great fun. However After 6PM the buy ins go up and no significant numbers play Hi Lo in the evenings. If anyone from Sky reads this post a £1.10 Hi Lo tournaments in the evenings would probably generate more rake than the tournaments that do not get filled.
As for the DYMs Giant, they usually follow the same format as regular DYMs, but tend to last a little longer due to the pot being split between the high hand and the low hand.
One difference, which in my opinion makes them better value is the fact that in a holdem DYM you can wait for 2 smaller stacks to get all in against each other secure in the knowledge that 1 is either going to go out, or 1 is going to be so crippled as to be effectively out. Not so in high low, you can bleed away blinds whilst the other players get it in and 1 wins the high and the other wins the low. You find yourself in these situations often in the latter stages of a HI Lo DYM, but on the plus side if you get it in with a half decent starting hand that has High and low possibilities, you may lose the high and win the low or vice versa. So unlike holdem where you either hit and win or your oppo hits and wins and the other players know one of you will take all the chips, in Hi Lo they cannot assume this.
Sadly, PLO8 isnt exactly my strongest game, but for sure interested in mixed if that's what OP was trying to find?
PLO8 is fun though
Based strictly on the MTTs I play I disagree that PLO is more popular than PLO8. The £20gtd at 10 past 8/10/midnight rarely get 10 runners. I rarely play them anymore as I'm not really interested in playing a 4 or 5 handed winner-takes-all. The £500gtd (previously £1k gtd) never makes the guarantee. Tbf, most of that will be the £5.50 buy-in.
The PLO bounty hunters are reasonably popular on weekends, but the last one runs 5.40pm. What we need is for the PLO bhs to run all evening, more and cheaper PLO/PLO8 MTTs in general (the 7.10pm £3.30 PLO has been up recently) and also why not have PLO8 bounty hunters? Could be pure carnage.
Another way to introduce more players to 4 cards would be cheap/free mixed game MTTs, but I'm not sure if the SP software would be up for it.
Let's hope Tikay spots this thread, he's been takling about Omaha a lot on TV recently.
I'll be off the site for 2 weeks from Tuesday for Xmas break, I will most likely play the PLO/PLO8 UKOPS side events, but afterwards I might just give another site a try if Omaha action doesn't pick up here.
Most of us aren't that interested in Omaha and only play NLHE. If I see a thread on this forum about Omaha I almost never read it, I only opened this one because I'm interested see how 67Bhoys does in his challenges.
All the recent Series 1 UKOPS events smashed their guarantees apart from one; the Omaha event which ran with an overlay. That tells you all you need to know.
I'm glad Sky provide Omaha games for you guys and I hope the fields grow for the many Omaha lovers on the forum. There's no doubt that interest in Omaha has been growing slowly and I fully beleive those who say it's a great game, but for now you guys are still in a smallish minority.
I play a little PLO and PLO8 now and again, am pretty bad though
Personally I think its a much better cash than tournament game, mainly cos it gets so many flips when people get short. This may just be my perception though, I havent played/dont know much about either omaha variant
One way sky could encourage it is to put round of each games in either cash tables or decent buy in MTT (either holdem and PLO or Holdem, PLO and PLO8)
Omaha HiLo however does not have these minimum stakes levels. You do get players who accidently enter a HiLo instead of a holdem DYM, but they generally have no Idea what is going on and lose £2.25 or £5.50 and never return.
I know Gary that you say you are one of the silent majority holdem players, but I reckon there is bit of you that wants to venture over to the dark side and try the HiLo.
I can PM you a rudimentry guide if you want.
Games 78, cashes 51, losses 27, C4P 244.
No of outsLevel Entry Prize ProfitCost of OutProfit 61 2.25 4.00 1.75 - 2.25 -£13.50102 2.25 4.00 3.50 - 0.50 -£5.0033 2.25 4.00 5.25 1.25 £3.7544 2.25 4.00 7.00 3.00 £12.00 5 2.25 4.00 8.75 4.75 26 5.50 10.00 13.25 3.25 £6.5017 2.25 4.00 15.00 11.00 £11.0018 5.50 10.00 19.50 9.50 £9.50 9 5.50 10.00 24.00 14.00 10 5.50 10.00 28.50 18.50 11 11.00 20.00 37.50 17.50 12 5.50 10.00 42.00 32.00 13 11.00 20.00 51.00 31.00 14 5.50 10.00 55.50 45.50 15 11.00 20.00 64.50 44.50 16 5.50 10.00 69.00 59.00 17 11.00 20.00 78.00 58.00 18 5.50 10.00 82.50 72.50 19 11.00 20.00 91.50 71.50 20 5.50 10.00 96.00 86.00 21 11.00 20.00 105.00 85.00 22 11.00 20.00 114.00 94.00 23 11.00 20.00 123.00 103.00 24 11.00 20.00 132.00 112.00 25 11.00 20.00 141.00 121.00 26 11.00 20.00 150.00 130.00 27 11.00 20.00 159.00 139.00 28 11.00 20.00 168.00 148.00 29 11.00 20.00 177.00 157.00 30 11.00 20.00 186.00 166.00 27 £24.25
Games 83, cashes 55, losses 28, C4P 259
No of outsLevel Entry Prize ProfitCost of OutProfit 61 2.25 4.00 1.75 - 2.25 -£13.50112 2.25 4.00 3.50 - 0.50 -£5.5033 2.25 4.00 5.25 1.25 £3.7544 2.25 4.00 7.00 3.00 £12.00 5 2.25 4.00 8.75 4.75 26 5.50 10.00 13.25 3.25 £6.5017 2.25 4.00 15.00 11.00 £11.0018 5.50 10.00 19.50 9.50 £9.50 9 5.50 10.00 24.00 14.00 10 5.50 10.00 28.50 18.50 11 11.00 20.00 37.50 17.50 12 5.50 10.00 42.00 32.00 13 11.00 20.00 51.00 31.00 14 5.50 10.00 55.50 45.50 15 11.00 20.00 64.50 44.50 16 5.50 10.00 69.00 59.00 17 11.00 20.00 78.00 58.00 18 5.50 10.00 82.50 72.50 19 11.00 20.00 91.50 71.50 20 5.50 10.00 96.00 86.00 21 11.00 20.00 105.00 85.00 22 11.00 20.00 114.00 94.00 23 11.00 20.00 123.00 103.00 24 11.00 20.00 132.00 112.00 25 11.00 20.00 141.00 121.00 26 11.00 20.00 150.00 130.00 27 11.00 20.00 159.00 139.00 28 11.00 20.00 168.00 148.00 29 11.00 20.00 177.00 157.00 30 11.00 20.00 186.00 166.00 28 £23.75
Games 86, cashes 57, losses 29, C4P 268
No of outsLevel Entry Prize ProfitCost of OutProfit 61 2.25 4.00 1.75 - 2.25 -£13.50112 2.25 4.00 3.50 - 0.50 -£5.5033 2.25 4.00 5.25 1.25 £3.7544 2.25 4.00 7.00 3.00 £12.00 5 2.25 4.00 8.75 4.75 36 5.50 10.00 13.25 3.25 £9.7517 2.25 4.00 15.00 11.00 £11.0018 5.50 10.00 19.50 9.50 £9.50 9 5.50 10.00 24.00 14.00 10 5.50 10.00 28.50 18.50 11 11.00 20.00 37.50 17.50 12 5.50 10.00 42.00 32.00 13 11.00 20.00 51.00 31.00 14 5.50 10.00 55.50 45.50 15 11.00 20.00 64.50 44.50 16 5.50 10.00 69.00 59.00 17 11.00 20.00 78.00 58.00 18 5.50 10.00 82.50 72.50 19 11.00 20.00 91.50 71.50 20 5.50 10.00 96.00 86.00 21 11.00 20.00 105.00 85.00 22 11.00 20.00 114.00 94.00 23 11.00 20.00 123.00 103.00 24 11.00 20.00 132.00 112.00 25 11.00 20.00 141.00 121.00 26 11.00 20.00 150.00 130.00 27 11.00 20.00 159.00 139.00 28 11.00 20.00 168.00 148.00 29 11.00 20.00 177.00 157.00 30 11.00 20.00 186.00 166.00 29 £27.00
Oh well, I better prepare myself for the run bad...
easiest way to win money on sky imo
these hilo dyms are redic
enjoying them tho. scorpio is the best, folds all hands lolol
I reckon they are better value than the Holdem DYMs for sure, not so certain about the Omaha DYMs.
Games 94, cashes 65, losses 29, C4P 294
Updated table below. Attempt 30, highlighted in green. I couldn't get a £5.50 table going, so started attempt 31, highlighted in orange, at £2.25 whilst I was waiting for lobby to fill. So guaranteed at least £9 profit giving a total profit of £36
No of outsLevel Entry Prize ProfitCost of OutProfit 61 2.25 4.00 1.75 - 2.25 -£13.50112 2.25 4.00 3.50 - 0.50 -£5.5033 2.25 4.00 5.25 1.25 £3.7544 2.25 4.00 7.00 3.00 £12.00 5 2.25 4.00 8.75 4.75 36 5.50 10.00 13.25 3.25 £9.7517 2.25 4.00 15.00 11.00 £11.0018 5.50 10.00 19.50 9.50 £9.50 9 5.50 10.00 24.00 14.00 10 5.50 10.00 28.50 18.50 11 11.00 20.00 37.50 17.50 12 5.50 10.00 42.00 32.00 13 11.00 20.00 51.00 31.00 14 5.50 10.00 55.50 45.50 15 11.00 20.00 64.50 44.50 16 5.50 10.00 69.00 59.00 17 11.00 20.00 78.00 58.00 18 5.50 10.00 82.50 72.50 19 11.00 20.00 91.50 71.50 20 5.50 10.00 96.00 86.00 21 11.00 20.00 105.00 85.00 22 11.00 20.00 114.00 94.00 23 11.00 20.00 123.00 103.00 24 11.00 20.00 132.00 112.00 25 11.00 20.00 141.00 121.00 26 11.00 20.00 150.00 130.00 27 11.00 20.00 159.00 139.00 28 11.00 20.00 168.00 148.00 29 11.00 20.00 177.00 157.00 30 11.00 20.00 186.00 166.00 29 £27.00