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Changes - ACTION Tables

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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    This is dumb. Action tables is the wrong name, 'an attempt to scre w more rake out of players' is a better way to name it. [ ] well thought out as usual.... why is scr ew against the rules with regards to banned words how dumb can this be, I scre w nails in or I screwed up a piece of paper are rude? really?
    Posted by beaneh

    Try nailing nails, much better results i find.
  • edited December 2011
    I s crew many things, one of them being s crews !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    action tables r bad for yoru health !! no sb = WHAT !!!!
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    This is dumb. Action tables is the wrong name, 'an attempt to scre w more rake out of players' is a better way to name it. [ ] well thought out as usual.... why is scr ew against the rules with regards to banned words how dumb can this be, I scre w nails in or I screwed up a piece of paper are rude? really?
    Posted by beaneh
    Ignoring the "well thought out as usual" sarcasm, the "Action Tables" are an alternative, for those who WANT to play them. The existing, regular, Tables, will be retained, & the Deep Stack Tables will be enhanced. Nobody is forced, or compelled, to play the Action Tables, though I'm sure you will have noted how busy they were yesterday.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    personally i dont like the action tables there should always be a small blind and a big blind myself just an opinion 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    Probably best not to play them, then - the "regular" Tables remain, as before.
  • edited December 2011
    I cant see the problem in what Sky have done here... The tables are EXTRA are they not? So we are not losing anything, but now there is more options for people who want to play this way...

    I personally wouldnt want Antes introduced into every game on sky, BUT then again if Sky decided to bring some tables in with Antes then great, this will then please the Regs who want to play this way?

    For me the changes are all for the good and gives us more options :)

    well done Sky
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    I cant see the problem in what Sky have done here... The tables are EXTRA are they not? So we are not losing anything, but now there is more options for people who want to play this way... I personally wouldnt want Antes introduced into every game on sky, BUT then again if Sky decided to bring some tables in with Antes then great, this will then please the Regs who want to play this way? For me the changes are all for the good and gives us more options :) well done Sky
    Posted by Pistolpov8
    +1 as there is nothin wrong at all with more CHOICE
  • edited December 2011

    Yes - the idea is more choice, & a better range of products.

    "Something for everyone" is the impossible dream though, it seems!

    I'll work through the rest of the changes shortly, & then there will be another batch early in the New Year.
  • edited December 2011

    Just A thought!

    If Punters are concerned about Action Tables generating unfair rake. What about a compromise to play them?

    You have progressive bonuses on slots in Sky Vegas what about a Main Event bonus entry to those players achieving a Royal Flush on an Action Table?

    Simples as any Meerkat would say!

    The odds against the hand are many thousands to one! = Sky Happy
    Main Event Entry = Player Chuffed to Nuts

    WHAT DO YOU THINK??????????

  • edited December 2011
    When Sky introduced re buys (which I don't play) I remember some guy going OTT on sky poker face book insinuating that it would 'ruin the site', spelling in caps, having a go at Tony K.  His response was don't play them, there is plenty of variety on the site.  I'd have to agree and with regard for these Action games I think they are a bit silly, but it's not the end of the world, I just wont play them sticking to normal cash or mtts it's not a problem.
      I'm glad they haven't included a run it twice button which in my (humble) opinion should only be used on the high stakes games not something like 5p 10p ect :), but again each to their own.  When I read action tables I thought they meant straddles which I think some sites do.  I'd prefer that idea to the Big blind Big blind game but maybe in the future they will include those games never say never (punish the limpers lol).  To summarise if you don't like it there's plenty of variety on the site.   
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    When Sky introduced re buys (which I don't play) I member some guy going OTT on sky poker face book insinuating that it would 'ruin the site', spelling in caps, having a go at Tony K.  His response was don't play them, there is plenty of variety on the site.  I'd have to agree and with regard for these Action games I think they are a bit silly, but it's not the end of the world, I just wont play them.   I'm glad they haven't included a run it twice button which in my (humble) opinion should only be used on the high stakes games not something like 5p 10p ect :), but again each to their own.  When I read action tables I thought they meant straddles which I think some sites do.  I'd prefer that idea to the Big blind Big blind game but maybe in the future they will include those games never say never (punish the limpers lol).  To summarise if you don't like it there's plenty of variety on the site.   
    Posted by Archangel
    ....and that is the definition of a "balanced Post".

    There WAS a lot of noise about rebuys, but they form about 1% of the total Tourrney schedule, less even, so nobody had to play them. But some like to.

    It's like "it does not suit ME, so I don't like it". A very strange thing, that inward looking mindset.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables : ....and that is the definition of a "balanced Post". There WAS a lot of noise about rebuys, but they form about 1% of the total Tourrney schedule, less even, so nobody had to play them. But some like to. It's like "it does not suit ME, so I don't like it". A very strange thing, that inward looking mindset.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Suggest this is slightly unfair on the guys who have posted saying this isnt the best idea - in fairness out of the numerous requests for improvement changes you guys have from all parts of the community where was setting sb/bb to be the same on the list?

    Obviously this particular implementation is a choice and you have removed nothing and fair play for going ahead with it but I think its fair to say the greater disappointment is in the decision to implement this change over others that were more widely requested, which perhaps wasnt articulated in the earlier posts...
  • edited December 2011
    Do we have to play action tables?    Oh no


    Less choice is better in my opinion, Too much choice is confusing.

    While your at it can you get rid of the bounty thingys.
  • edited December 2011
    This is very cool sounds good
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables : Suggest this is slightly unfair on the guys who have posted saying this isnt the best idea - in fairness out of the numerous requests for improvement changes you guys have from all parts of the community where was setting sb/bb to be the same on the list? Obviously this particular implementation is a choice and you have removed nothing and fair play for going ahead with it but I think its fair to say the greater  disappointment   is in the decision to implement this change over others that were more widely requested, which perhaps wasnt articulated in the earlier posts...
    Posted by lynx3ffect
    Sir, or Madam,

    They are an ADDITION, not a REPLACEMENT, so no, I don't think it's unfair on anyone.

    This change over others was not requested? There are numerous changes in train (some will be announced today/tomorrow/next week) which were not requested, but it's a business, & they are looking to bring in new stuff, designed to appeal - or not - to the player-base. If demand is found to be wanting, they'll revert. There was no "demand", back in the day, for BH's, or all sorts of other stuff that is now accepted as the norm here, but they were introduced because that's the job of the business - to try & keep things fresh, different, new.

    "More widely requested" improvements/changes. There have been, I would guess, & if we limit them to sensible/reasonable/practical/commercial ones, 10 or 20 things persistently requested. The upgrade just done, plus Part Two of it, which is very early in the New Year, will address over 90% of those requests.

    It's a moving target, but the "catch-up" is about complete, or will be by early in the New Year, but even then, changes, tweaks, improvements, additions, etc, will continue forever.

    In truth, I think the Site has made extraordinary progress in the last 12 months - more so than in the first 4 years, in my personal opinion, the Download was a big step in that, as seen from the high reliability rate now - the unscheduled outages are almost a thing of the past, & the site reliability & stability is as good as any Site. That was not always the case.  

    Hopefully, the loyal playerbase, yourself included, will enjoy the majority, if not all, of the changes. That's all they can hope for. 
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables : Sir, or Madam, They are an ADDITION, not a REPLACEMENT, so no, I don't think it's unfair on anyone. This change over others was not requested? There are numerous changes in train (some will be announced today/tomorrow/next week) which were not requested, but it's a business, & they are looking to bring in new stuff, designed to appeal - or not - to the player-base. If demand is found to be wanting, they'll revert. There was no "demand", back in the day, for BH's, or all sorts of other stuff that is now accepted as the norm here, but they were introduced because that's the job of the business - to try & keep things fresh, different, new. "More widely requested" improvements/changes. There have been, I would guess, & if we limit them to sensible/reasonable/practical/commercial ones, 10 or 20 things persistently requested. The upgrade just done, plus Part Two of it, which is very early in the New Year, will address over 90% of those requests. It's a moving target, but the "catch-up" is about complete, or will be by early in the New Year, but even then, changes, tweaks, improvements, additions, etc, will continue forever. In truth, I think the Site has made extraordinary progress in the last 12 months - more so than in the first 4 years, in my personal opinion, the Download was a big step in that, as seen from the high reliability rate now - the unscheduled outages are almost a thing of the past, & the site reliability & stability is as good as any Site. That was not always the case.   Hopefully, the loyal playerbase, yourself included, will enjoy the majority, if not all, of the changes. That's all they can hope for. 
    Posted by Tikay10
    Serious point here tikay,   You are giving more choice on one thread and removing a choice on another thread,   My concern would be that skypoker can manipulate the the games to suit rake.

    more choice is more choice,   removing one choice and installing another doesnt add up to more choice in my book.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables : Ignoring the " well thought out as usual " sarcasm, the "Action Tables" are an alternative, for those who WANT to play them. The existing, regular, Tables, will be retained, & the Deep Stack Tables will be enhanced. Nobody is forced, or compelled, to play the Action Tables, though I'm sure you will have noted how busy they were yesterday.
    Posted by Tikay10


    Ok we the sky players thank Sky for allowing us to pay more rake. It is exceptionally kind of them.

    Could we also have an option where when we top up we just pay Rupert extra money directly? That'd be really kind and we wouldn't HAVE TO DO IT but could if we wanted to.....


    In what way do you think you are providing a service to the player by producing a format of the game which is totally moronic? HOW DOES THIS EVEN SLIGHTLY BENEFIT US?

    Calling them action is complete tosh, tables with antes would create action, 3 blinds would create action, free money in the middle would create action. Naming the table ACTION does not in itself create action.


    People may have played them yesterday after they were opened for the novelty factor, it doesn't detract from the fact that they are a bad idea.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables : Serious point here tikay,   You are giving more choice on one thread and removing a choice on another thread,   My concern would be that skypoker can manipulate the the games to suit rake. more choice is more choice,   removing one choice and installing another doesnt add up to more choice in my book.
    Posted by NODEAL
    It COULD maximise the rake in various ways if it wished, & our Clients COULD go elsewhere if they did not like it - they are the checks & balances built into the free market, & supply & demand. That is the absolute basis for everything done - players have a choice of many Online Sites, so we need to try that itsy-bitsy bit harder.

    I'm really not sure how "more choice" can ever be a bad thing, certainly in a successful business, one which is bucking the industry trend big time, as Sky Poker is, and has done for some time now.

    In almost every case of new Product at Sky Poker, it is an ADDITION, not a replacement. FIXED LIMIT, of course, is an exception, but the uptake on FL was so close to zero that it was off (below) the scale, so that hardly counts as less choice. 
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables : Ok we the sky players thank Sky for allowing us to pay more rake. It is exceptionally kind of them. Could we also have an option where when we top up we just pay Rupert extra money directly? That'd be really kind and we wouldn't HAVE TO DO IT but could if we wanted to..... In what way do you think you are providing a service to the player by producing a format of the game which is totally moronic? HOW DOES THIS EVEN SLIGHTLY BENEFIT US? Calling them action is complete tosh, tables with antes would create action, 3 blinds would create action, free money in the middle would create action. Naming the table ACTION does not in itself create action. People may have played them yesterday after they were opened for the novelty factor, it doesn't detract from the fact that they are a bad idea.
    Posted by beaneh
    Once again, I'm not quite sure why we need to descend into such dripping sarcasm Andrew, could we not debate this in a more constructive manner? I don't do rude or sarcasm to you, or other Clients, it'd be kinda nice if that were reciprocated.

    Whether they are a bad idea is wholly subjective, they are "bad" in your opinion, which is abso fine.

    If you prefer not to play the "Action Tables", that is your perfect right. It's Sky Poker's perfect right to offer them though.

    If we could also avoid the vitriol, please, ("moronic format" is not the sort of expression we want here), it'd be much appreciated. I, we, are always happy to have a debate on these matters, but it does not need to descend to that level. Thanks.

    Players will play them if they wish, or ignore them if they wish. That's their choice.
  • edited December 2011
    I have the option to take a hammer and thrash away at my genetalia.  I do not do this because it's not good for me.


    SUBJECTIVE?


    O Rly


    please explain which SKY CUSTOMERS benefit from this new addition. We know that Sky themseleves benefit, but i'd love to see who you think you are truly benefiting. I can name a few players who will benefit from this but on the whole the player pool will not be benefiting. 



    So we have 


    SKY BENEFIT

    and

    CUSTOMERS ARE TOLD THEY GET SOMETHING NEW, HOW LUCKY THE ARE AND THEY GET WAT....


    You are looking from the 'im paid by sky and so I give their opinions' and i'm looking from the 'players viewpoint'. my viewpoint is not a selfish one based specifically on what I want, but one that whenever I post with regards to changes/suggestions/feedback or when I spend hours talking to Adam about upcoming changes and changes that are desperately required that will benefit everyone sometimes detrimentally to me personally. 




    edit 

    Tikay I could easily discuss this with you on blonde because there a discussion can take place, when you have you're SP hat on you have to say what you have to say and that does not lead to fair or accurate discussion just advertising/marketing propoganda.
  • edited December 2011
    Is there somewhere on the forums where we can suggest software changes? 

    The "Action Tables" came out of left field and would be preferable in the future if the player base had a say on potential changes. 


  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    Is there somewhere on the forums where we can suggest software changes?  The "Action Tables" came out of left field and would be preferable in the future if the player base had a say on potential changes. 
    Posted by simuk

    there is a whole subforum you complete and utter fish, it just isn't used for actual changes ldo.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables : It COULD maximise the rake in various ways if it wished, & our Clients COULD go elsewhere if they did not like it - they are the checks & balances built into the free market, & supply & demand. That is the absolute basis for everything done - players have a choice of many Online Sites, so we need to try that itsy-bitsy bit harder. I'm really not sure how "more choice" can ever be a bad thing, certainly in a successful business, one which is bucking the industry trend big time, as Sky Poker is, and has done for some time now. In almost every case of new Product at Sky Poker, it is an ADDITION, not a replacement. FIXED LIMIT, of course, is an exception, but the uptake on FL was so close to zero that it was off (below) the scale, so that hardly counts as less choice. 
    Posted by Tikay10
    Yeah I know we can go elsewhere, I used to play on here a lot more than I do now.

    Tell me,   why does skypoker have 100/200 tables an 50/100 when no one plays them,  going by skypoker logic they should disappear.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    I have the option to take a hammer and thrash away at my genetalia.  I do not do this because it's not good for me. SUBJECTIVE? O Rly please explain which SKY CUSTOMERS benefit from this new addition. We know that Sky themseleves benefit, but i'd love to see who you think you are truly benefiting. I can name a few players who will benefit from this but on the whole the player pool will not be benefiting.  So we have  SKY BENEFIT and CUSTOMERS ARE TOLD THEY GET SOMETHING NEW, HOW LUCKY THE ARE AND THEY GET WAT.... You are looking from the 'im paid by sky and so I give their opinions' and i'm looking from the 'players viewpoint'. my viewpoint is not a selfish one based specifically on what I want, but one that whenever I post with regards to changes/suggestions/feedback or when I spend hours talking to Adam about upcoming changes and changes that are desperately required that will benefit everyone sometimes detrimentally to me personally.  edit  Tikay I could easily discuss this with you on blonde because there a discussion can take place, when you have you're SP hat on you have to say what you have to say and that does not lead to fair or accurate discussion just advertising/marketing propoganda.
    Posted by beaneh
    It's something new, & does not replace anything. Players have the choice, use them, or don't. There's not much to add to that. The uptake on them yesterday was much greater than anticipated, & again today, when the midday "snapshot" was taken.

    I use Tescos a lot, but I don't like their new line in baked beans, so I skip past the stuff & buy my usual brand. It does not cause me to get upset, it's a choice I can make, & others can make their own choice.

    We get oodles of complaints that we have too many BH's, or that rebuys are raked. Have you seen the numbers on the Saturday night BH Rebuy? 90% GREATER than the previous NLH Freezeout! Not everyone thinks alike.

    Your feedback, like everyone else's, is appreciated, but by definition, not all feedback can be used, as it varies from player to player.

    I have no intention of debating it on blonde, it has nothing to do with blonde, it is a Sky Poker matter.

  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables : It's something new, & does not replace anything. Players have the choice, use them, or don't. There's not much to add to that. The uptake on them yesterday was much greater than anticipated, & again today, when the midday "snapshot" was taken. I use Tescos a lot, but I don't like their new line in baked beans, so I skip past the stuff & buy my usual brand. It does not cause me to get upset, it's a choice I can make, & others can make their own choice. We get oodles of complaints that we have too many BH's, or that rebuys are raked. Have you seen the numbers on the Saturday night BH Rebuy? 90% GREATER than the previous NLH Freezeout! Not everyone thinks alike. Your feedback, like everyone else's, is appreciated, but by definition, not all feedback can be used, as it varies from player to player. I have no intention of debating it on blonde, it has nothing to do with blonde, it is a Sky Poker matter.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Lol yeah, And as you so charmingly put it...  We can go elsewhere,   Glad you dont work for me
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables : Lol yeah, And as you so charmingly put it...  We can go elsewhere,   Glad you dont work for me
    Posted by NODEAL
    Think you need to read my Post again, I said no such thing. I'm happy to communicate the changes, & discuss them, as long as it's reasoned debate, but please don't twist my words, & suggest I said things which I did not.

    Ultimately, any business worth it's salt knows that it's customers have a choice, so tries to offer as much choice as possible. That pleases as many as the clientele as possible, & helps to earn revenue for the business - which is the sole purpose for which it exists.

    I'll debate this as long as anyone wishes, but i'm not going to engage if it gets to lobbing insults about, I'm sorry.
     
  • edited December 2011

    I think these tables are bad for the games too. Regulars will never start these tables and once the novelty factor wares off, these games will die above 100nl. It is clear that they have been created to increase rake. But sky is a business and i have no right to object, I can take my custom elsewhere.

     

    Also it doesn't matter how much choice there is; there is only ever a certain amount of liquidity. So If you add 1 thing, it will only take money from one part of the site and move it to another. So new changes DO affect other games, choice is irrelevant. 


  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables : It's something new, & does not replace anything. Players have the choice, use them, or don't. There's not much to add to that. The uptake on them yesterday was much greater than anticipated, & again today, when the midday "snapshot" was taken. I use Tescos a lot, but I don't like their new line in baked beans, so I skip past the stuff & buy my usual brand. It does not cause me to get upset, it's a choice I can make, & others can make their own choice. We get oodles of complaints that we have too many BH's, or that rebuys are raked. Have you seen the numbers on the Saturday night BH Rebuy? 90% GREATER than the previous NLH Freezeout! Not everyone thinks alike. Your feedback, like everyone else's, is appreciated, but by definition, not all feedback can be used, as it varies from player to player. I have no intention of debating it on blonde, it has nothing to do with blonde, it is a Sky Poker matter.
    Posted by Tikay10


    I mention blonde because YOU ASKED TO DEBATE

    then you post the same repetitve rubbish about how choice is good, how we can gtfo if we don't like it.

    YOU ARE NOT DISCUSSING

    YOU ARE GIVING NO VALID ARGUMENTS AS TO HOW THIS BENEFITS THE PLAYERS


    YOU ARE NOT DISCUSSING I REPEAT NOT DISCUSSING




    To discuss would be to say



    This has been implemented for this this and this reason, look here are how it benefits THE SKY PLAYER POOL IN GENERAL (I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FECCK ABOUT IT'S DIRECT INFLUENCE ON ME, STUPIDLY ENOUGH I BELIEVE THIS TO BE GOOD FOR ME SO IT IS COUNTER INTUITIVE THAT I AM COMPLANING)

    HOWEVER AS ALWAYS I AM POSTING WITH THE INTENTION OF GETTING THE BEST FOR ALL PLAYERS IN THE PLAYER POOL AND NOT JUST MYSELF


    If I was to be posting on behalf of sky I would say this is an excellent idea to marginally increase the rake whilst doing relatively little. I would find it hard to argue in favour for the player without resorting to moronic repetition as you have THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE PLAYER.


    Your continued repetition and lack of actual reasnoning just highlights the lack of benefit to the player pool.

    You will ofcourse just say that my tone is not correct and that I should be all happy go lucky and tell you all well done for this. OFCOURSE THAT WOULD BE DUMB SO I WONT


    My tone may not get me as far as a brown noser but i'm utterly fed up of being told the opposite of what is true time and time again.


    It beggars belief the higher level management of MANY poker institutions. 

  • edited December 2011
    I will agree that Beaneh is one of the few regs on thsi site who could play on the action tables and it would be MORE profitable for him than on regular tables.

    For the average reg these will just be a way to lose money quicker.

    For recreational/casual players I can't see much difference.  They may be better for them to play than on a normal table as the action tables will probably hvae fewer regs on.
  • edited December 2011
    would this be a bad time to bring up table sizing!! :-)

  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Changes - ACTION Tables:
    Also it doesn't matter how much choice there is; there is only ever a certain amount of liquidity. So If you add 1 thing, it will only take money from one part of the site and move it to another. So new changes DO affect other games, choice is irrelevant. 
    Posted by BrownnDog
    Very good point !! 
    Being a selfish poker player obviously you want players to spew on Regular tables and not elsewhere )
    Lets face it, the action tables will attract the more "I want to gamble/spin" than play some poker therefore 
    taking the spew away from the regular tables.

    I have only played for an hour on an action table - nl10 and it was very fast !

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