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Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?

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  • Frank53Frank53
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    poker we learn every day its ok saying u played for 40 years but the game changes every year thats y hellmuth cant hack it these days against the internet young whizz kids old skool just never wins nowadays like utg limping with aa etc just old skool its all aggresion nowadays the cards dnt matter if u have reads on a certain person u can 3 bet with aire i just like to know if stu unger was still alive how he would be doing because what the regulars do now on sky poker is what stu unger done years ago 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    Good point!
     BUT, the fundermental rules of playing live poker do remain! Online poker playing..well ......
    What happens when an irrisistable collides with an immoverble object....

    ANSWER..

    You create an interseptable perseption....
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2011
    we all have are own style of play thats y poker is a great game i like playing pool and very competitive so like to win so i will try my best to adjust to the table if people playing tight on the table then i will raise alot more then i normally do with any card but if people play loose then i tighten up wait for spots and try and hit big and try n win that way i know its a cliche but u dnt have to be the best player on the table to win just pick the weak players on the table and win of them :)
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  • penguin7penguin7
    edited December 2011
    Sorry Frank, but I do find your post ridiculous.

    The OP is asking a legitimate question about the benefits of learning the maths. There can only be one answer to that.

    For you to say it is valueless, implying that the software online makes it a waste of time, is simply trolling the thread.

    You saying that you have been playing for poker for 40 years and have forgotten more than anyone else knows is laughable.

    If online poker is a lottery, what are you doing here ?
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  • DAIBOOTDAIBOOT
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    Sorry Frank, but I do find your post ridiculous. The OP is asking a legitimate question about the benefits of learning the maths. There can only be one answer to that. For you to say it is valueless, implying that the software online makes it a waste of time, is simply trolling the thread. You saying that you have been playing for poker for 40 years and have forgotten more than anyone else knows is laughable. If online poker is a lottery, what are you doing here ?
    Posted by penguin7
    another good post on this thread sir WP
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  • Frank53Frank53
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit? : another good post on this thread sir WP
    Posted by DAIBOOT
    Where on earth do you get the idear that maths basic maths is involved with ONLINE POKER!
    Im not against you or anyone else....I write what ive learnt over that period of time...NEVER READ A BOOK ABOUT POKER WEATHER ONLINE OR LIVE PLAY!
    You carry on playing with mathmatics in your mind when playing online poker!
    LIVE...you have an argument...and a vallied one!

    YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION THEN

    WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AND VITAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LIVE DEALER...AND AN ELECTRONIC DEALER?

    IF YOU GET THIS RIGHT...ILL BE IMPRESSED!

    IF YOU GET IT RIGHT...YOUR WHOLE PERSEPTION OF ONLINE POKER WILL CHANGE!
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit? : Where on earth do you get the idear that maths basic maths is involved with ONLINE POKER! Im not against you or anyone else....I write what ive learnt over that period of time...NEVER READ A BOOK ABOUT POKER WEATHER ONLINE OR LIVE PLAY! You carry on playing with mathmatics in your mind when playing online poker! LIVE...you have an argument...and a vallied one! YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION THEN WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AND VITAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LIVE DEALER...AND AN ELECTRONIC DEALER? IF YOU GET THIS RIGHT...ILL BE IMPRESSED! IF YOU GET IT RIGHT...YOUR WHOLE PERSEPTION OF ONLINE POKER WILL CHANGE!
    Posted by Frank53
    You mean it's fixed? Yawn.
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  • Frank53Frank53
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit? : You mean it's fixed? Yawn.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    Obviously you dont know what i mean! Never assume what im thinking....or more to the point what am i thinking about EWE!

    Yours indifferently...

    THR PROFFIT!
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited December 2011
    Frank , you are awesome.

    Happy trolling!
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  • Frank53Frank53
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    Frank , you are awesome. Happy trolling!
    Posted by grantorino
    I KNOW....Are you trying to troll me...tut tut
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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27
    edited December 2011
    Frank is trolling.
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  • Frank53Frank53
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    Frank is trolling.
    Posted by AcidMan27
    You are obviously a vehicle for arrogance....are you a VAN or CAR or mabe a mixture of each!

    A VAN/CAR!

    I have no idear what trolling is.... (*&%£)
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  • ACEGOONERACEGOONER
    edited December 2011
    Frank you wanna play some hu cash, online or live doesnt bother me?
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2011
    if u have a problem TALK TO FRANK :) and the difference is a live dealer u play 10 hands in like 20 minutes online its more like 30 hands in 20 minutes so more chance of getting better hands live and online is so different i play alot tighter live then online try and watch players and when not in a hand look and concentrate on betting patterns and if goes to showdown what they are holding and make notes online its hard to get reads but i find the timebar intresting when its a quick call usually means a draw of some kind 
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  • Alarm76Alarm76
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    Hello Everybody this is my first post Just got a book titled The Mathmatics of poker. I think it will take me a month to read and years to understand lol. I dropped A Level maths for psychology and now i remember why!!! I'm worried that the effort i put into learning from this source could be of better use elsewhere. Is it just going to go round the houses just to conclude that  the rules of thumb we all use as standard are approximate to optimal play anyway. (perhaps bridging that gap from approximate to complete optimal play would give substantiall rewards over time if it were at all possible) I studied a little game theory as it related to optimal foraging theory at university (Biology not Maths!!!) and the models we looked at where very simple and not even close to the complexity of poker.  Ta Dave.
    Posted by Hallsay55
    ON SKY seriously ITS AFN LOTTERY AA v J4 you know what wins
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  • Frank53Frank53
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    if u have a problem TALK TO FRANK :) and the difference is a live dealer u play 10 hands in like 20 minutes online its more like 30 hands in 20 minutes so more chance of getting better hands live and online is so different i play alot tighter live then online try and watch players and when not in a hand look and concentrate on betting patterns and if goes to showdown what they are holding and make notes online its hard to get reads but i find the timebar intresting when its a quick call usually means a draw of some kind 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    ERRRRRGGG ERRRRRRGGG

    WRONG.....do try again!

    The number of hands is irrelevent.....
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  • Frank53Frank53
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    Frank you wanna play some hu cash, online or live doesnt bother me?
    Posted by ACEGOONER
    No thanks.....im not a degenerate gambler!
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  • GLifUloseGLifUlose
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit? : Ive playing poker for 40 yrs....and online for 10, most of that time spent studying online poker softwhare.... Ive forgotten most of what you lot will ever know!
    Posted by Frank53
    Shock...

    I've been playing for 3 and I can be pretty confiden I know who is better.  Books, maths, training videos, playing volume online + coaching is far more useful than 40 years of live players playing 20 hands per hour in some dingy cardroom discussing how the "9s are hot tonight".
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  • GLifUloseGLifUlose
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION THEN WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AND VITAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LIVE DEALER...AND AN ELECTRONIC DEALER? IF YOU GET THIS RIGHT...ILL BE IMPRESSED! IF YOU GET IT RIGHT...YOUR WHOLE PERSEPTION OF ONLINE POKER WILL CHANGE!
    Posted by Frank53
    Also.. Trololol @ this.  I will answer this honestly with 2 years of experience working in a Poker Room and 3.5years playing a tonne of hands online.

    I have never seen an "electronic dealer" cheat.
    Day after day I saw people manipulating decks to cheat people out of their money.  Even I can do it to some degree and I have a lot of evidence of cheating in Live Games.  Find me one shred of evidence of a rigged electronic dealer anywhere.  Cheating online, yes, but never the deal.
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  • Frank53Frank53
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit? : Also.. Trololol @ this.  I will answer this honestly with 2 years of experience working in a Poker Room and 3.5years playing a tonne of hands online. I have never seen an "electronic dealer" cheat. Day after day I saw people manipulating decks to cheat people out of their money.  Even I can do it to some degree and I have a lot of evidence of cheating in Live Games.  Find me one shred of evidence of a rigged electronic dealer anywhere.  Cheating online, yes, but never the deal.
    Posted by GLifUlose
    WRONG....who the hell mentioned cheating bozo!

    Nothing to do with cheating ...you obviously dont know the answer...like many on this site!

    Read the question again...and DO try to understand it!
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  • Frank53Frank53
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit? : Shock... I've been playing for 3 and I can be pretty confiden I know who is better.  Books, maths, training videos, playing volume online + coaching is far more useful than 40 years of live players playing 20 hands per hour in some dingy cardroom discussing how the "9s are hot tonight".
    Posted by GLifUlose
    You must be rich....or maybe its just a dream....and im a fantasy!
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  • rancidrancid
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Is learning the mathematics behind poker a worthwhile pursuit?:
    than 40 years of live players playing 20 hands per hour in some dingy cardroom discussing how the "9s are hot tonight".
    Posted by GLifUlose
    lolz - so true

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