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DYM disaster

edited December 2011 in Poker Chat
 Sounds like reasonably standard bad luck to me wenelinho, a couple of mistakes mixed with a few unlucky match ups, and 11 games can easily go by without a cash, just as 15 or so cashes in a row are easily possible.

 There's a thread called " abc of dym's by johnoconnor"--- certainly worth a read I'd say--gl
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  • edited December 2011
    Ok so i decided id have some fun on the DYM thing. i dont have the patience for cash or the time for tourneys thought it might be a good way to get my poker fix.

    Started great in less than a week i managed to turn an £80 BR into 150 and i was thinking why have i never played these? In my heightened state of enthusiasm for the game i have even taken the effort to read about them in grater detail.

    Life is good when your winning but along comes a little thing called variance, 11 games in a row without a cash!!!!!! yeah you read it right 11.  Now i know what you are probably thinking just another muppet blaming the world for poor play and i really wish you were right but out of them 11 i would like to say 8 of them i did the correct thing, I keep coming up against AA when i have KK or KK when i have QQ i push from the D with 99 and the SB has kk. As you can imagine it is starting to ware just a tad thin on me.

    Now by no means am i blaming the site or think that some how its rigged because sky for some reason dont like me thats just silly. im not even saying that i have no room for improvement because lets face it, if that was true i wouldnt be coming on here righting this post.

    So to the point of this essay when does variance just become plain bad luck and if anybody has any advice it would be much appreciated.

    love chris xxx  
  • edited December 2011
    thanks oynutter i have read that article by johnconnor even saved it to my fav list some very interesting ideas in it,  i'd say i already did about 70% of what he says play tight pick your spots loosen up towards the end, but always room for improvement.  I was just thinking maybe with DYM the point is just to break even but to play enough games to get a decent cash for points return just an idea 
  • edited December 2011
    Ain't got a clue mate, I flappin hate them--lol---structure too fast, and low stakes rake too high imo-- I consider them a gamblers game at low stakes, I would consider them with 10 min blinds, but definitely not 5 mins-- wrong side of slightly silly I think.
  • edited December 2011
    maybe it is something that could be suggested DYM deep stack could work. the game would last 1.5 hours at least though i do agree with the rake being to high on them makes them very difficult but you do only need to win 55% of the time to be a winning player surely its do able 
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disasaster:
    maybe it is something that could be suggested DYM deep stack could work. the game would last 1.5 hours at least though i do agree with the rake being to high on them makes them very difficult but you do only need to win 55% of the time to be a winning player surely its do able 
    Posted by wenelinho

    *cries* :'(
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disasaster:
    In Response to Re: DYM disasaster : *cries* :'(
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    why the tears ?
  • edited December 2011
    Dohh cries as he would prefer a nice 10k startin stack and 30 min blinds ;))
  • edited December 2011
    haha well if i had the time for that i would just be playing MTT's love them but when i have to be up for work the call of bed time is too much to resist 
  • edited December 2011
    You would need to win a lot more than 55% of the time to actually win money mate!-- The rake is well over 10% at low stakes innit. If you win 55% of games, you lose money.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    You would need to win a lot more than 55% of the time to actually win money mate!-- The rake is well over 10% at low stakes innit. If you win 55% of games, you lose money.
    Posted by oynutter
    Yep at lowish stakes even 70-80% only gives a little profit , we need 5% rake to make these do able
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    You would need to win a lot more than 55% of the time to actually win money mate!-- The rake is well over 10% at low stakes innit.
    Posted by oynutter
    I do believe you only need a winrate of 55%+ to be in profit at the levels where rake is 10%
  • edited December 2011
    Aye, which is why I consider them a waste of space

    Anyone will tell you, we have campaigned to get these changed, except Orford obviously
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster : I do believe you only need a winrate of 55%+ to be in profit at the levels where rake is 10%
    Posted by Lambert180
     I don't think so Lambert, and rake is over 10% until you get up to 5 quid ones.

    work it out on paper mate--- win two--- lose two--- you've lost a quid at 5.50 games
  • edited December 2011
    lol would be nice just to have the option.  just lost another all in AKs SB calls with 44 i flop top pair with the flush draw turn 4 river blank.

    GRRRRRRRR!!!! now im no maths wizz would like to know what the odds of me winning on the flop were. ok im done 4 hours of grining and im down for the night at least i have broken my 11 game loosing streak  
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster :  I don't think so Lambert, and rake is over 10% until you get up to 5 quid ones.
    Posted by oynutter
    I think lambert will see you are correct here mr nutter , as will all players on this site (except orford obviously)
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster :  I don't think so Lambert, and rake is over 10% until you get up to 5 quid ones.
    Posted by oynutter
    Yeah it's the £5.50s that I used to play.

    If you play 100 games, you stake £550, and per win you get £10, so you need to win 55 of the 100 to get your £550 back, then anything over 55 games (or 55%) is profit.


  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    lol would be nice just to have the option.  just lost another all in AKs SB calls with 44 i flop top pair with the flush draw turn 4 river blank. GRRRRRRRR!!!! now im no maths wizz would like to know what the odds of me winning on the flop were. ok im done 4 hours of grining and im down for the night at least i have broken my 11 game loosing streak  
    Posted by wenelinho
    Well assuming he only has 2 outs (the 2 fours), then there's only about an 8% of him hitting it on the turn or river
  • edited December 2011
    P.S. I think the 10% rake starts at £3 games but I can't be bothered to go look, but I'm definitely right about the win rate :)
  • edited December 2011
    I would try to master the low stakes cash tables if I were Wene, watch some higher stakes ones, and visit the clinic, surely more profitable, at least when you win, you have actually won, innit.

     A few days, and 20 or 30 quid, and you will have the hang of it, make notes on every player you see, and make a seperate list of atm machines--- when you get good, and know your players, find games where the average pot is very high, try to make it look like you are as mad as them at first, then tighten up, but flat calling where you can, just so they don't notice how tight you are playing.

              most of all    FLOPPA WHOPPA!!!
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster : Yeah it's the £5.50s that I used to play. If you play 100 games, you stake £550, and per win you get £10, so you need to win 55 of the 100 to get your £550 back, then anything over 55 games (or 55%) is profit.
    Posted by Lambert180
     If you win 60% of games, it takes ten games to win a fiver, is it worth the bother?
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster :  If you win 60% of games, it takes ten games to win a fiver, is it worth the bother?
    Posted by oynutter
    Well a game will take around 30 mins and you can play 4-6 no probs, so thats 8-12 games per hour (give or take) so it's an alright win-rate and you can rack up some pretty decent C4P.

    JC seems to make a decent amount from DYMs alone. The only thing I would say is they can be very swongy... like the OP's situation, it's not that unlikely you might lose 11 in a row, so £60.50 at the level I played which can really hurt your confidence if you're not focused/disciplined.
  • edited December 2011
    Hmmmm, yeh, thanks Lambert, that might be part of the reason I gave them up, even six in a row would do my head in----lol--- and I can only two table because I hate mini view. I have tried it a few times, but it takes so long to recover from a bad run, and there is definitely too much luck involved with 5 min blinds
  • edited December 2011
    Never tuned into this thread b4 but it caught my eye at 3 in the morning...

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    In Response to Re: DYM disasaster:
    maybe it is something that could be suggested DYM deep stack could work. the game would last 1.5 hours at least though i do agree with the rake being to high on them makes them very difficult but you do only need to win 55% of the time to be a winning player surely its do able 
    Posted by wenelinho

    *cries* :'(

    Posts: 3461
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    Last: 18/12/2011
    Dohh cries as he would prefer a nice 10k startin stack and 30 min blinds ;))

    I think he would prefer 20k and 1hr...or is dat me?

  • edited December 2011
    In reply to the op...

    11 losses in a row sounds a lot, not sure wot my worst is...prob about 8ish...wait a minute...8!!! Gawd that musta hurt...IRISH!  Wot's me woorst DYM run?

    Anyways, always have A 8, be the short stack on the bubble, shove any hand, call with any hand, if you only have 3 BB's and sum1 has 4BB's fold....even if it leaves u wiv 0.78 BB's (but no lower mind), unless the short stck shoves...thn u shud dwell fold...or cry............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................





    :o )

    GL @ da tablez........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    You would need to win a lot more than 55% of the time to actually win money mate!-- The rake is well over 10% at low stakes innit. If you win 55% of games, you lose money.
    Posted by oynutter
    £0.30 - £0.60 = Win 60% to break even
    £1.15 = Win 57.5% to break even
    £2.25 = Win 56.25% to break even
    £3.30 and above = Win 55% to break even

    :)
  • edited December 2011
    I've only just been back at DYM's this month after a very long break and I did a fare bit straight away going from £50 down to like £34 and that's pretty sickening but through patience and hard work I built it back and am now close to being stable at £3.30.

    11 in a row is pretty horrendous and tbh I'd think about posting a few of your exit hands on the clinic to perhaps see if you're shoving at the wrong time or just playing hands sub-optimally.

    Still good luck though, it'll soon turn. 
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    In reply to the op... 11 losses in a row sounds a lot, not sure wot my worst is...prob about 8ish...wait a minute...8!!! Gawd that musta hurt...IRISH!  Wot's me woorst DYM run? Anyways, always have A 8, be the short stack on the bubble, shove any hand, call with any hand, if you only have 3 BB's and sum1 has 4BB's fold....even if it leaves u wiv 0.78 BB's (but no lower mind), unless the short stck shoves...thn u shud dwell fold...or cry...............................................................................
    Posted by Darntootin

    Your worst run over 2,222 games is losing 8 in a row on 1 occcasion, if you ignore that, it's down to 5 in a row.

    Which when you consider you've had 23 streaks above 8 wins in a row is pretty impressive!


    had a play around with the stats whilst I had em up....

    over 2,222 games your winrate is 64.76% & u've paid over $1,050 in rake

    wpwp
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    I've only just been back at DYM's this month after a very long break and I did a fare bit straight away going from £50 down to like £34 and that's pretty sickening but through patience and hard work I built it back and am now close to being stable at £3.30. 11 in a row is pretty horrendous and tbh I'd think about posting a few of your exit hands on the clinic to perhaps see if you're shoving at the wrong time or just playing hands sub-optimally. Still good luck though, it'll soon turn. 
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    i know its bad but im pretty sure that in 8 of them i did the correct shove, possibly i could of folded a couple of my QQ hands but in the most case im the aggressor i do the shoving and then got called by some1 who has the next pair up from mine.  i really dont think im an 11 in a row losing player material not to say that i dont need to improve i do.  Maybe posting my exit hands is a good idea though maybe just to get feedback
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster : Your worst run over 2,222 games is losing 8 in a row on 1 occcasion, if you ignore that, it's down to 5 in a row. Which when you consider you've had 23 streaks above 8 wins in a row is pretty impressive! full graph below http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/847/tootindym.png/ had a play around with the stats whilst I had em up.... over 2,222 games your winrate is 64.76% & u've paid over $1,050 in rake wpwp
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Thems be some pretty nice stats
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster:
    In Response to Re: DYM disaster : i know its bad but im pretty sure that in 8 of them i did the correct shove, possibly i could of folded a couple of my QQ hands but in the most case im the aggressor i do the shoving and then got called by some1 who has the next pair up from mine.  i really dont think im an 11 in a row losing player material not to say that i dont need to improve i do.  Maybe posting my exit hands is a good idea though maybe just to get feedback
    Posted by wenelinho
    Yeah like I said above, post them and sometimes even if you played it perfect, it's nice to hear some of the regulars say 'well played, you got unlucky'. People say a big part of poker is confidence and if you start doubting good play because of negative variance, it can lead to a world of pain... (slightly OTT lol)
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