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DYM COLLUSION?

edited January 2012 in Poker Chat
Does anybody else think that when your on a dym table and you happen to have 2 or 3 "DYM LEGENDS" there too, its just when your down to the last 4, cos they are some sort of "TEAM" they seem to fold to each other to get the other person out...ITS DISGUSTING
Chat banned so cant chat at the tables... thanks

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  • edited January 2012
    I hope not mate
  • edited January 2012
    it so seems that way, just wanted to see if anyone else thought the same thing
  • edited January 2012

    Given the Thread title, it's kinda hard to see how you came to be chat-banned at the Tables, Sir......

    If you think players are acting improperly, you should report them to Customer Care, that is your ABSOLUTE DUTY as a poker player. Probably be handy to include a bit of evidence, too.

    Coming on the Forum to just lob insults at them ain't gonna achieve anything.
  • edited January 2012
    as tikay says this post wont acheive anything and you have gone about it the wrong way

    i do howeva agree that its prob not 2 ethical to have a 'DYM team', esp on such a small site where u come across the same players time and time again
  • edited January 2012
    ok i appolagise for the language, but it doesnt seem right to me....
    i shall just pick and choose more carefully now when i sit at a table
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    as tikay says this post wont acheive anything and you have gone about it the wrong way i do howeva agree that its prob not 2 ethical to have a 'DYM team', esp on such a small site where u come across the same players time and time again
    Posted by SHANXTA
    It would not be "unethical" at all - it would be outright cheationg/collusion.

    Trouble is, it's easy  - very easy - to throw out these accusations (usually after losing...) but it needs more than that to make the case - if any EVIDENCE is available, it should be sent to Customer Care.

    If there is no evidence, well.....
  • edited January 2012
    I suspect that the players in a DYM Team would generally know how to play the bubble in these DYMs and thus they would all follow the same style.

    I also think that advertising a DYM Team on a rather small site is probably a bit silly.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    ok i appolagise for the language, but it doesnt seem right to me.... i shall just pick and choose more carefully now when i sit at a table
    Posted by CFC302
    Thank you, next case.

    Have you presented the evidence to Customer Care?

    Please note, just because some guys happen to play a lot of DYM's, & are very successful, that does not mean they are colluding. It might mean they understand the game better than you or me.....
  • edited January 2012
    3 DYM legends, one unknown, not rocket science they are not going get involved with each other unless absolutly nessessary, no conspiracy just plain old common sense tis why these guys win!! small piece of advise from a recreational player and please dont be offended, read john conners ABC of DYMs and gl m8
  • edited January 2012
    lol.. your chat banned and call your thread bellends :)
  • edited January 2012
    your not really gonna get the full picture unless your sitting at alot of these tables are you?
  • edited January 2012
    Thank you ryder, at least someone is on my wavelength.... will give it a read.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    3 DYM legends, one unknown, not rocket science they are not going get involved with each other unless absolutly nessessary, no conspiracy just plain old common sense tis why these guys win!! small piece of advise from a recreational player and please dont be offended, read john conners ABC of DYMs and gl m8
    Posted by ryderroo
    Fair point ryderroo, and as you note, DYM's are very formulaic, so yes, most successful DYM players have a very similar style.

    The John Connor DYM Thread is HERE

    Might be worth the OP having a gander at it, and as ryder notes, don't be offended, the suggestion is intended to be helpful.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    your not really gonna get the full picture unless your sitting at alot of these tables are you?
    Posted by CFC302
    True so what were you exspecting from posting it here then.
    TK said it better than i ever could a few posts up, if you think collusion is involved then you have to contact Customer support pronto with you suspisions and evidence.
    I would definatly recommend reporting possible cheaters, we dont want them here.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS : Fair point ryderroo, and as you note, DYM's are very formulaic, so yes, most successful DYM players have a very similar style. The John Connor DYM Thread is HERE Might be worth the OP having a gander at it, and as ryder notes, don't be offended, the suggestion is intended to be helpful.
    Posted by Tikay10
    OP is a long term winning player
  • edited January 2012
    I can understand the OP's concerns here so perhaps some context is useful.

    As I understand it the DYM Legends team was set up purely to play in the Monday night DTD tournaments where I think all will agree they have been a welcome addition.

    I'm sure they opperate in the same way as all of the other teams in that there is commaraderie and banter, but when playing the game it's every man for himself.  I can only speak for my team - Hitsquad but would suspect that DYM LEGENDS opperate in the same way and there would simply be no benefit to collusion in that everyone plays with their own money and there is no benefit to other team members if a team mate wins and you lose.

    I hope and suspect what you are seeing is that team DYM LEGENDS are all very good DYM players and if one of them is in a pot that the others are unlikely to join in without a very strong hand.  As Tikay has pointed out, they all understand DYM's pretty well.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    I suspect that the players in a DYM Team would generally know how to play the bubble in these DYMs and thus they would all follow the same style. I also think that advertising a DYM Team on a rather small site is probably a bit silly.
    Posted by scotty77
    +1

    Like having a team called

    CASH SHARKS

  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    Thank you ryder, at least someone is on my wavelength.... will give it a read.
    Posted by CFC302
    I am on your wavelength, CFC, I just think that if you think players are cheating, or colluding, you should gather the evidence & send it to Sky Poker.

    Smearing the reputations of regular players, just because they are winners, is not really on - UNLESS you have evidence.

    The thread is unlikely to survive the Mods censure much longer, so I hope you send the evidence in.

    Good luck @ the Tables, & I hope you enjoy the John Connor DYM thread - it's helped an amazing number of players, most of whom now play in a similar style.....
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    [QUOTE]I suspect that the players in a DYM Team would generally know how to play the bubble in these DYMs and thus they would all follow the same style. I also think that advertising a DYM Team on a rather small site is probably a bit silly.
    Posted by scotty77
    Exactly this. Most people on team DYM have read through JC's blog and thus play "optimally" around the bubble and know how to bully a short stack, if that's you, then badluck! This is all part of the game format and you will always incounter it if there are 2 or 3 people who know how to play the games on the same table.

    However, if you have any examples of say a team member being all in with their BB and another team member in the SB needing only to top up by a very small amount (which they should do 100% of the time) just to let them survive then i agree, that might need looking into.

    Having played plently of DYM's with other people on the team, i can assure you this does not happen (to the best of my knowlage) It really is every man for themselves, the team is more there for meeting people on the site and providing suport for one another.

    I personally think team DYM provide the best rail on the site, and is stuffed full of very good players.

  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS : OP is a long term winning player
    Posted by TWRAMYEP

    Quite possibly, but that does not give him the right to slander other players. If he has evidence of collusion or cheating, then he should....oh wait, I've said it before. ;)
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS : It would not be "unethical" at all - it would be outright cheationg/collusion. Trouble is, it's easy  - very easy - to throw out these accusations (usually after losing...) but it needs more than that to make the case - if any EVIDENCE is available, it should be sent to Customer Care. If there is no evidence, well.....
    Posted by Tikay10
    i have reported several incidents of collusion to cc over my time playing dyms

    can i also just make it clear that to the best of my knowledge, no1 that i have reported is in team dym legends, so i am certainly not tryin nto throw accusations at anyone

    having that team though is maybe not the best idea 
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS : i have reported several incidents of collusion to cc over my time playing dyms can i also just make it clear that to the best of my knowledge, no1 that i have reported is in team dym legends, so i am certainly not tryin nto throw accusations at anyone having that team though is maybe not the best idea 
    Posted by SHANXTA
    Good man.

    I really feel for the lads in the "DYM Legends" Team, they are being slandered here, without, as far as I can see, an iota of evidence. That is bang wrong. They have been accused of cheating, & described as "bellends". Lovely.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS : Quite possibly, but that does not give him the right to slander other players. If he has evidence of collusion or cheating, then he should....oh wait, I've said it before. ;)
    Posted by Tikay10
    Sure I totally agree with you, I was just pointing out that I dont think its the OP skill level
    thats the problem as two posters assumed it was by linking a basic strat post for OP reading.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS : Sure I totally agree with you, I was just pointing out that I dont think its the OP skill level thats the problem as two posters assumed it was by linking a basic strat post for OP reading.
    Posted by TWRAMYEP
    Yes, I'm aware of your line here Sir, & I appreciate it. For my part, I was sugaring a bitter pill, if you get my drift.

    We live in a very peculiar society, when folks can say pretty much what they want when using the internet, seemingly without fear of retribution or recrimination, so it relies upon their good sense to a degree.

    Try turning the problem upside down, or as Warren Buffett (a "fairly" successful man) always suggests, "invert the problem".

    What would happen if I came on here & suggested that the OP was a cheat. Can you even begin to imagine the hoohah, the fuss, the sense of outrage? And of course, I'd be given the tin-tack, if I said that without any evidence, & quite rightly too. But players can come on here & say what they want? I don't think so......
  • edited January 2012
    well said, I'm done :)
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS : Yes, I'm aware of your line here Sir, & I appreciate it. For my part, I was sugaring a bitter pill, if you get my drift. We live in a very peculiar society, when folks can say pretty much what they want when using the internet, seemingly without fear of retribution or recrimination, so it relies upon their good sense to a degree. Try turning the problem upside down, or as Warren Buffett (a "fairly" successful man) always suggests, "invert the problem". What would happen if I came on here & suggested that the OP was a cheat. Can you even begin to imagine the hoohah, the fuss, the sense of outrage? And of course, I'd be given the tin-tack, if I said that without any evidence, & quite rightly too. But players can come on here & say what they want? I don't think so......
    Posted by Tikay10
    This.

    If anyone feels they have an issue with the game play, it should be reported to Customer Care.

    What definitely shouldn't happen is people come on the forum and label others cheats, donks, idiots, etc.

    Please think carefully when choosing a thread title. Also think about if it's the sort of thing that should be posted at all...

    Thanks,
    Dave
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    I can understand the OP's concerns here so perhaps some context is useful. As I understand it the DYM Legends team was set up purely to play in the Monday night DTD tournaments where I think all will agree they have been a welcome addition. I'm sure they opperate in the same way as all of the other teams in that there is commaraderie and banter, but when playing the game it's every man for himself.  I can only speak for my team - Hitsquad but would suspect that DYM LEGENDS opperate in the same way and there would simply be no benefit to collusion in that everyone plays with their own money and there is no benefit to other team members if a team mate wins and you lose. I hope and suspect what you are seeing is that team DYM LEGENDS are all very good DYM players and if one of them is in a pot that the others are unlikely to join in without a very strong hand.  As Tikay has pointed out, they all understand DYM's pretty well.
    Posted by Slykllist
    +1...... also as a member of TKP there are bragging rights when you knock a fellow team member out
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS:
    In Response to Re: DYM BELLENDS : +1...... also as a member of TKP there are bragging rights when you knock a fellow team member out
    Posted by scouse_red

    Which in your case is never Chris....do try harder this year please

    As for op, I think you should ask to join the DYM bell ringers.....oops, I meant legends!
  • edited January 2012
    as other people have said when you a play a team member on the same table its purely another person to take chips off also as been said by other groups the bragging rights to take out another team mate is great. have a look on the dtd on monday and see how much banter flies around the tables. This is yes a team event but all as individuals as stated if i knock out one of my team then no love lost its just a game 
  • edited January 2012
    look their was 3 tpt players on a dym and NO WAY would we collude to fold to each other were their to double our money. when i regged i only saw one tpt their so i thought why not after DTD we could have chat about it as i go on mini view during DTD and can`t chat it just happens when i regged another TPT`er happened to reg at same time and because 4 players had already regged we were last two so could not even de-reg, mind you other tpt player did not even cash was taken out in 5th 
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