you think i should call this or fold it?

unknown_username

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
XXKIPXX	Small blind		100.00	100.00	9420.00
loololollo	Big blind		200.00	300.00	13247.50
	Your hole cards	8 8
REDARROW61	Call		200.00	500.00	3385.00
gmd1701	Fold
SULLYS5	Fold
XXKIPXX	Call		100.00	600.00	9320.00
loololollo	Raise		500.00	1100.00	12747.50
REDARROW61	Call		500.00	1600.00	2885.00
XXKIPXX	Fold
Flop
		5 10 6
loololollo	Bet		800.00	2400.00	11947.50
REDARROW61	All-in		2885.00	5285.00	0.00

unknown_username

fyi i ended up calling ill show results later

Lambert180

Don't raise from the BB imo, I'd just take a flop.

You probably won't get folds, and you want to go multiway anyway. Now cos you've raised, any c-bet at all commits you against his stack.

Don't think call is too bad V his stack.

unknown_username

In Response to Re: you think i should call this or fold it?:

Don't raise from the BB imo, I'd just take a flop. You probably won't get folds, and you want to go multiway anyway. Now cos you've raised, any c-bet at all commits you against his stack. Don't think call is too bad V his stack.
Posted by Lambert180

mmm, yeah guess so, the way i played it out do you reckon fold or call i off

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: you think i should call this or fold it?:

Don't raise from the BB imo, I'd just take a flop. You probably won't get folds, and you want to go multiway anyway. Now cos you've raised, any c-bet at all commits you against his stack. Don't think call is too bad V his stack.
Posted by Lambert180

Why don't we like the raise? Multi-way is fine but we'll be going multi-way against a short stack and a weak range, so not great implied odds. I don't like set-mining in this spot and pre-flop we figure to have the best hand.

I prefer the raise IF we think the small blind is likely just making up because it's cheap and will fold to a raise frequently. I'm looking to commit the short stack if we perceive him to have a wide limping range (which is surely a reasonable assumption). I definitely make it more than 700 total, though. I probably make it 1000 and don't complain if I get two folds but don't worry about doubling up the shorty if he wants to get it in pre-flop or on the flop.

In fact, thinking about it I like the raise even if the small blind flats our 1000. If he does, we're going to end up winning a bigger pot post-flop alot of the time with a c-bet. Complications arise when both call and it's higher variance but should be very profitable in the long-run.

If we're not raising 88 here, where's the boundary? Are we checking 99 or TT?

thejudge10

Now given ur stack size,i think its a call,chances are u r behind,but could also be making this play with suited connectors,that have made an open ender,so you might still have cards to dodge,you 12000,and 2000 to call. 

If you lose you still have 50bb left so plenty of play.

I f you only had 7000 left id say fold,so on this occasion i think your stack size dictates your play 

jdsallstar

i think a call for me mainly due to their stack size but it would come down to their previous play and what their perception of you might be. But i certainly wouldnt be confident and wouldnt be surprised at all if i was behind.

What hands could they have that would beat you? A10, K10, Q10, J10, Pocket aa's, kk's, qq's, jj's, 10's, 9s, 5's or 6's. I'm ruling out any hand that hits two pair on that board immediately.

I would say it's unlikely they play trips like that (flat call more often in that spot) so that would rule out the 10's, 6's and 5's for me. Hard to put them on aces, kings, queens or jacks from their play preflop but definitely not impossible. so that leaves A10, K10, Q10, J10 or 9's. With your raise preflop i would say K10 and Q10 are unlikely. So for me its have they got A10 or J10 or 9's. Due to his smallish stack, your stack size, the stack size of the rest of the table and your 800 raise - it's a call for me.
 
I think it would come down more to judging the player from their previous plays to get an idea of what they would limp then call with preflop and what they might think of your raise. the speed of their reraise all in would also factor for me - if it was instant i would probably lean towards folding more

unknown_username

i ended up calling it off and he had 

pocket 3's

i won the hand