Limp in with Queens UTG on tight table?

LARSON7

Hey, this is my exit hand from a tourney tonight. I'm UTG with pocket queens sitting short stacked.

It was a tight table, if i was all in, i felt it would fold all the way around. I'm hopin some one is going to raise so i can shove, folds round to BB and is checked.

If i shove preflop (based on previous hands) i'm just getting the blinds, im thining i need the double up so so played it. Oppo flopped a straight, so i'm just about drawing dead when it's all in on flop.

Its a throw up wanting to double up and getting paid.

In this occasion it didn't work, but i feel i played this the right way. Just wondering what others think.

If im all in, i get the blinds and am still sitting massive short stack.

cenachav	Small blind		150.00	150.00	4690.00
POKERTREV	Big blind		300.00	450.00	13042.50
	Your hole cards	Q Q
LARSON7	Call		300.00	750.00	2415.00
tomhead13	Fold
GELDY	Fold
vida	Fold
cenachav	Fold
POKERTREV	Check
Flop
		9 8 7
POKERTREV	Check
LARSON7	Bet		562.50	1312.50	1852.50
POKERTREV	Raise		1125.00	2437.50	11917.50
LARSON7	All-in		1852.50	4290.00	0.00
POKERTREV	Call		1290.00	5580.00	10627.50
POKERTREV	Show	6 5
LARSON7	Show	Q Q
Turn
		K
River
		J
POKERTREV	Win	Straight to the 9	5580.00

THEROCK573

standard all in jam pre for me, if it gets folded round so be it, next hand look for another spot!!

LARSON7

I know! Normally it is100% ive never been at such a tight table in all my life.. so played it diferent.

Im thinkin i win the blinds im only sitting with bout 10 bigs. It this circumstance, i like the play, tho never worked out this time.

unknown_username

ewww get it in pre or raise it pre, the flop turns out disgusting for your hand i would hate to get it in on that flop

LARSON7

lol i cant raise, min raise, shows i have a monster... then again so does my just call, given my stack...

bearlyther

ALLLLLLIIINNNN

BorinLoner

Yep, a pre-flop shove is better in my opinion. The limp will look more suspicious if you've been raising every hand previously and at least three of these players are good enough to recognise that.

If you shove, it's just someone shoving 9BB and you can be perceived to have a wide range. I'd rather give hands like KQ, KJ, AT, 66, 77 the opportunity to call us pre-flop than give them the chance to, for example, check in the Big Blind and not pay us if they miss the flop. If we just take down the blinds, it's no big deal. We're still adding 16.5% to our stack without a showdown which should be viewed as good news.

You should never fold that flop.

LARSON7

Trappppiinnnnn lol

LARSON7

True enough, i likedmy trappy limp, but I should have just shoved pre.

I was just so scared of not getting paid.  I would always normally shove queens in that spot, it was just such a bizarre table.

MattBates

You say the table is really tight, can you not open your shoving range up then? You will get called by a hand that beats you (that is IF they have a hand they consider strong enough to call you) but you will also pick up lots of uncontested pots. Also, is the table that tight or are they not calling your shoves as you are playing very tight and therefore always have it rather than say, potentially be shoving light in position?

Matt

MAXALLY

Tight table with cenachav & geldy on it?.....they both shove if dealt one of the jokers in the pack.

As for the hand......limping is the worse option IMO. If you min raise to something like x 2.2BB and it gets folded round, so be it.Yes you want action but not the wrong action which you left yourself open for.

GELDY

i thought I would test this out today

played AA & KK slow into multi-way pots

all-in on the flop both times multiway

KK<AA<2prs (38o on an 83x flop)

flush draw<AA<idiot straight on the flop as above

so the empirical evidence would seem to justify the above advice 

you are asking for trouble if you let atc into hands against your big pairs

ha maxally - but which of the jokers eh!

cenachav

I once shoved when I was dealt a joker and the rules of bridge.  I got called by Mr bun the baker and squirtle.  Some people call with anything

jdsallstar

has to be some sort of raise for me preflop even if its a min raise. If i limp with a hand like that I dont want people limping behind me with a rag ace or king. plus by limping in and playing against the blinds its harder to put them on a hand. if you raise pre and someone calls it's easier to put them on a ace or a king should one of them hit the flop.

Plus at least if i raise and still get beat I can console myself that whoever called probably shouldnt have, i got outdrew and was just unlucky!

GREGHOGG

Dont slow play with 9 bigs.

Shove your whole range imo

LARSON7

In Response to Re: Limp in with Queens UTG on tight table?:

Tight table with cenachav & geldy on it?.....they both shove if dealt one of the jokers in the pack. As for the hand......limping is the worse option IMO. If you min raise to something like x 2.2BB and it gets folded round, so be it.Yes you want action but not the wrong action which you left yourself open for.
Posted by MAXALLY

lol aye they were playing tight as!

Having thought about it everyones spot on, I should have just shipped with the stack I had 9 or so bb.

CUFCrp90

Agree with everyone else ship it pre. If you're so short stacked you should be shoving way wider than this too. If they truly are a nitty table you'll pick up lots of blinds most of the time.