NL10 on a table of limpers and callers take 2

shakinaces

Still not learning any lessons from this I guess lol... aside from the two abberations (from me) I've posted in here and a KK v AA hand (which I also played badly, but got me off cheaply lol) it was a fairly good session, which makes it all that more frustrating!

Anyway - is my betsizing OK from the SB?  Is the c-bet sensible on paired/flushing board or should I check/call or bet smaller/fold?

I'm pretty sure that calling the min-bet was just giving away free money and I should have folded, given I didn't have enough knowledge on villain to be willing to go broke on the assumption he held a J... I mean, I have to give an unknown credit for a 5x hand or possibly even set-mining jacks (given the limping at the table with all sorts)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
shakinaces	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£9.85
bb	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£9.90
	Your hole cards	Q Q
utg	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£10.30
utg+1	Fold
villain	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£13.20
button	Call		£0.10	£0.45	£12.32
shakinaces	Raise		£0.55	£1.00	£9.30
bb	Fold
utg	Call		£0.50	£1.50	£9.80
villain	Call		£0.50	£2.00	£12.70
button	Fold
Flop
		5 5 J
shakinaces	Bet		£1.50	£3.50	£7.80
utg	Fold
villain	Raise		£3.00	£6.50	£9.70
shakinaces	Call		£1.50	£8.00	£6.30
Turn
		8
shakinaces	Check
villain	Bet		£4.00	£12.00	£5.70
shakinaces	Fold
villain	Muck
villain	Win		£7.40		£13.10
villain	Return		£4.00	£0.60	£17.10

Lambert180

Pre good and flop size good.

I think you need to plan ahead a bit though, if you intend to just c/f a blank turn card then don't call the flop raise imo. Personally I would call the flop raise and C/C the turn.

beaneh

I'd stack off on the turn, our oppo has to have literally all the 5x's in his peeling range and just check minraise those for us to be able to fold.

there are a tonne of draws and Jx hands that we can be ahead of.

percival09

yah ^ +1, arent enough 5x combos he could have really, and it's all we're scared of, and he could def have diamonds/tp

BorinLoner

There are two or three regs at this level who like to telegraph their big hands like this. Against those players, you can almost fold to any aggression at all. They always raise the nuts or near nuts, never semi-bluff and call down with "marginal" hands like TPTK.

Since you haven't provided any reads to suggest that this particular player is one of those, I don't like the fold for the reasons the others have mentioned. If we think he is one of those players, don't call the flop raise.

As Lambert says, you've got to think ahead. Calling the flop raise to check-fold on the turn is not a good plan.

shakinaces

Yeah as per 3rd para in my first post, I pretty much knew as soon as I clicked 'call' to the min-raise I was making an error - the subsequent fold was more a case of not wanting to compound the error by throwing away even more cash...

...or odds wise, does my bad call on the flop commit me to then stacking on the turn?

FWIW it was the general passiveness of the table, rarely pushing the bet or raise button, that made me err towards folding the flop... would an otherwise passive player really want to min-raise Jx, flush draws or middle PP here? I seem to throw away full buy-ins too frequently at this level by over-valuing big pocket pairs when people are (maybe?) giving me messages that they have me crushed.

I didn't recognise the name of the villain Borin, doesn't mean to say it's not one of the players you mentioned mind.

Thanks for the feedback though, one other q (well, two):

If committing to going all the way, in this situ would it be a call on the flop then check/re-raise all in on turn?  If I call the flop and it goes check/check on the turn, should I be willing to shove most rivers that aren't a diamond or a jack, or is that also a check/call?

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: NL10 on a table of limpers and callers take 2:

If committing to going all the way, in this situ would it be a call on the flop then check/re-raise all in on turn?  If I call the flop and it goes check/check on the turn, should I be willing to shove most rivers that aren't a diamond or a jack, or is that also a check/call?
Posted by shakinaces

Given our stack size, yes we should check-raise all-in on the turn if he doesn't set us all-in.

If the turn is checked back, then we can possibly value bet, which would be a shove. It depends what we make of his range for raising the flop and checking back the turn. If we think he's checking back the turn to see a free card with a draw, we might want to check blank rivers to him so he can bluff. Alternatively we might want to value bet to get value from a Jack or worse pairs.

Obviously it depends on alot of things: How do we think our opponent plays various hands? How do the turn and river affect that range? Is he the type to just give up and not bluff? Does he raise the flop with marginals like TT?

It's difficult to answer theoretical questions.