30nl, OOP w/ rivered top set, bad card for villain (?) line...?

DOHHHHHHH

Villain is new to me, it's the first time I've played with him.

He's only 1 tabling and likes to see flops, normally by limp/calling and peeling opens.

He took the best part of a buy in off me very early on at this table.

Sat with 80bb he peeled from the bb with 83s v my mid position open, donk led for the full pot on 853, and shoved £17 into 15 ott which was a blank 2.

I paid him off w/ JJ having flatted the flop, and he held.

edit* Might as well add the hand. I was nearly right.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
DJP1990	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£21.35
xxx	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£22.78
	Your hole cards	J J
SHIRLEYV3	Fold
aceshigh04	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£60.66
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£1.20	£1.95	£27.75
wattsy3	Fold
DJP1990	Call		£1.05	£3.00	£20.30
xxx	Call		£0.90	£3.90	£21.88
aceshigh04	Call		£0.90	£4.80	£59.76
Flop
		8 9 3
DJP1990	Check
xxx	Bet		£4.80	£9.60	£17.08
aceshigh04	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£4.80	£14.40	£22.95
DJP1990	Fold
Turn
		4
xxx	All-in		£17.08	£31.48	£0.00
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£17.08	£48.56	£5.87
xxx	Show	3 8
DOHHHHHHH	Show	J J
River
		A
xxx	Win	Two Pairs, 8s and 3s	£46.76		£46.76

No showdown pots or anything since then, just him splashing about probably playing too many hands too passively.

My image is probably tight aggressive. Not as active as usual because the table/s were soft so didn't really need to get out of line much.

Ofc otr I'm planning to check all cards apart from maybe this one.

Really don't want him checking back though, is there any case for donk leading/shoving this river against this type of fishy player?

Is c/c (or c/shove) always the best line to take?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
DOHHHHHHH	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£63.45
templeto08	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£18.51
	Your hole cards	A A
xxx	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£74.04
beamer1968	Call		£0.30	£1.05	£19.95
aceshigh04	Call		£0.30	£1.35	£48.46
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£2.70	£4.05	£60.75
templeto08	Call		£2.55	£6.60	£15.96
xxx	Call		£2.55	£9.15	£71.49
beamer1968	Fold
aceshigh04	Fold
Flop
		2 6 Q
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£3.90	£13.05	£56.85
templeto08	Fold
xx	Raise		£7.80	£20.85	£63.69
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£3.90	£24.75	£52.95
Turn
		4
DOHHHHHHH	Check
xxx	Bet		£12.00	£36.75	£51.69
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£12.00	£48.75	£40.95
River
		A
DOHHHHHHH

unknown_username

If this is off last night mate and the players name begins with T i would just want to get as much cash in as poss v him.

I sat at this table just before he left and from what i saw he was calling absolutley any amount pre and putting his stack in with any hit whatsoever.

This is the type of player that helps the low stakes players move up the levels quicker

Follow over broken glass

liamboi11

I think I prefer check/shove river in this spot only think we are really worried about is backdoor flush which is unlikely but possible and think you lose value in the long-term for times when he has qx sets or a weird 2pr combo (if he plays 83 suited) that pay you off.

but yeah river could defo be scare card for if he only had kq/qj type of hand but think its possible he still pays you off with the money in the pot.

think you have posted this for a reason so thinking he had q6ss and you shoved he snapped you off with flush.

GREGHOGG

shove river for value and cry when he either a) folds.. or b) calls with the flush



If i check I hate my life when/if he checks behind...

mewillows

Shove river with hope to get called off. Scare card could cause to check behind if you check. Can't be too worried about a flush unless you specifically put them on QJss,KQss seeing as As came on river. Would they limp pre with KQss though? Don't know the player so not sure of their style. 

Bothered, shove. 

craigcu12

passive villians very rarely bet with weak hand so when he did that bet on the flop it was ok making the call but then when he shoves on the turn it was best to just fold as he clearly was representing two pair or set.
hand two just shove the river or atleast do a pot size bet because the villian would be too scared to make a bet if it was checked to him yet if he has two pair he would not be too scared to call your own bet.
i see this all the time myself, on saturday two villians who held a straight min bet with it on the turn and only called the river bet i did after hitting my FH so i probably lost value myself.

thejudge10

as shown in hand1,this oppo could have absolutley any thing,flush is a poss and str8,could you really discount suited 3,5,or 3,5 o/s.they could also have any 2 pair combo.

now if you chk river,is he gonna shove??.I f he does you call ?

so its a tricky spot.

so i shove the river, and hope he has 2 pair or set.

If not unlucky

DOHHHHHHH

I did decide to donk jam the river, and he folded  

Would love to know what he had, shame it wasn't a Tele table. 

Thnx for replies. 

WHOAMI196

checking is good if vs a pure bluff, as it gives villain a window to take a stab on the river, but if he has any hand here like qx (generally though people would not raise a Q alone with out reason, but this guy seems bad so a qx is plausible) he is likely to check river back with that, looking at it im torn between check-jamming to betting ~£12 to get value from a Queen and it allows him to sp.azz out too...

i was going to post yesterday but my head was scrambled and i could not think straight, but ye i did naturally think that your jam was a bit greedy or over ambitious to get called by worse imo(obv we 100% get paid by sets), so i am not being result orientated! .. the flop is soo dry he either has a overplayed Qx, set or Air , but ruling out 2 pair  as he did not bet pot through the streets as before....

I take your line here majority of the time, and i might raise turn even if we have reason to believe that theres value to be had, he may have 99s and would call a raise thinking were at it... he may have us beat sometimes but putting him in a tough spot can only be a good thing, its/is it unlikely he will fire three barrels as a bluff!? who knows...

conclusion; with your line to the river i bet around 1/4 pot, thinking the river is a very bad card and likely a scary card for him and thus may stop him betting with his bluffs/weak value hands if we check, and will clearly fold this part of his range if we jam .....