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Sports Event Previews on Ch 861. For better or worse.....

edited March 2013 in Poker Chat

As you know, we did a Cheltenham Preview on Channel 861 earlier in the week.

Not everyone thought it was a good idea, but most seemed to agree, & after the Show, we had good feedback.

So, the experiment, or trial/pilots will continue, & two more have been scheduled. I believe the plan is to have two guests in each case.
 
The first will be on Tuesday 2nd April, to preview the Grand National Meeting, which starts on the Thursday, with the big race on the Saturday. Jules Sowa will be the Presenter.

The second one will be the following Tuesday, to preview The US Masters Golf, which starts on the Thursday, & for this, Rich Orford gets the gig.

Enjoy, or look away now. Delete as appropriate.  

As you know, next week, Sky Poker will be running some special Freerolls & Timed Tourneys to coincide with the Cheltenham Fessie, & I'm hopeful that they will do something similar for The Grand National, & maybe even the US Masters.
 
  
 

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  • edited March 2013
    Personally i hated it. The reason for that is i wouldn't put on sky sports F1HD expecting to watch the football, nor would i expect sky poker to be dealing with horse racing. I have full respect that Sky Bet and Sky Poker want to share reasorces but i think personally speaking that a programme about all betting events would hit a far bigger target audience when put on Sky Sports. Lots of nights of the week i see repeats of things or a programme clearly there just to fill a gap.

    This is obviously my personal opinion and others might see different and im sure Sky will go for the best "business" sense
  • edited March 2013

    Regardless of whether I had a personal interest in Cheltenham (very well put together show btw, I thought Jules, Tikay and Shiners did a very good good), I think this is a very good idea provided it is used for big events.  Poker players in general have some interest in either other sports or sports betting, at least the poker players central to SkyPoker's demographic (in other words not 20 table STT grinders who don't know what daylight looks like, people who enjoy a game of cards and a punt).

    For things like The Gold Cup, National, Masters and other banner events such as Superbowl, FA Cup final, Wimbledon, The Derby it's great.  Freshens up the programming and provided you get a guest key to either Sports Betting or the sport in question I think it really can work.

    I do not want it to become a weekly (or even fortnightly) thing though and I think some lessons can be learnt from the old Chatbox programme.  During big poker events or incidences like Black Friday or Epic Poker, Chatbox was great.  The problem was during lulls in events there was no news other than 'Man wins Poker Tournament' which was really dry and could be dull through no fault of either presenters or production.

    There are plenty of big Sporting events but not one every week, do it as specials and keep the fresh feel to it.  Don't force it down to less popular events like Rugby League World Cup (sorry RL fans, I like it but the popular appeal isn't high) etc to maintain the unique and 'treat' feel of it.  Also a relevant guest is a must IMO, as exceptional as James and Stapes were on the show last night (and they really were IMO) if they end up on the Rota for say a FA Cup special without a guest in, I think there'd be a tad too much bluffing about the subject.

  • edited March 2013
    I think the biggest reason that the reception was so overwhelmingly positive was most likely that people are disinclined to complain. It seems unlikely that I and the other one or two people expressing our lack of enthusiasm were the only ones that felt that way.

    I don't see much of a need to make a fuss over it but don't proceed on the false assumption that, because few people complained, it was an unqualified success.

    The only thing I would say is that 100% of people tuning into Sky Poker want to watch a programme about poker. If the proportion of those people who continue to watch through the racing, golf, football, etc hour is anything less than 100%, then you are necessarily losing viewers. One thing is for sure: Nobody with an interest in horse racing is going to search for horse racing programming on a channel called Sky Poker. So this will certainly not add to the viewing figures.

    I was under no illusions that this would be a one-off event anyway. I'll just watch or do something else for that hour... so it's a great chance for presenters and analysts to say what they really think about me. ;)
  • edited March 2013

    Spot on Tommy, you must have been in the Meeting.

    By sheer chance, three such opportunities have arisen close together, but even if the trial is deemed a success, I don't see Ch 861 doing more than 5 or 6 of these per annum. To give up a dozen or so hours of poker Programming per year does not seem too onerous to me, especially as no other UK & Ireland facing poker Site even has a TV Channel.

    I would envisage things such as the Football World Cup, Olympics, Wimbledon, The Open, Superbowl, that sort of thing.

    There will always be relevant guests.
     
    There have been internal discussions about some sort of "Chatbox" Variant, too, & the point you make was noted.

    We shall see.
     
    The TV Channel MUST keep trying to appeal to a wider audience. 
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Sports Event Previews on Ch 861. For better or worse.....:
    I think the biggest reason that the reception was so overwhelmingly positive was most likely that people are disinclined to complain. It seems unlikely that I and the other one or two people expressing our lack of enthusiasm were the only ones that felt that way. I don't see much of a need to make a fuss over it but don't proceed on the false assumption that, because few people complained, it was an unqualified success. The only thing I would say is that 100% of people tuning into Sky Poker want to watch a programme about poker. If the proportion of those people who continue to watch through the racing, golf, football, etc hour is anything less than 100%, then you are necessarily losing viewers. One thing is for sure: Nobody with an interest in horse racing is going to search for horse racing programming on a channel called Sky Poker. So this will certainly not add to the viewing figures. I was under no illusions that this would be a one-off event anyway. I'll just watch or do something else for that hour... so it's a great chance for presenters and analysts to say what they really think about me. ;)
    Posted by BorinLoner
    "Feedback" as I termed it is a slightly more sophisticated art than "just" listening to what viewers say, it is far far wider than that.

    Don't forget that there are ways of measuring what financial impact it had on the Business.

    And if it helps pay it's way, I'm all for it. You would have to ask yourself why other online poker sites do not bear the expense of a TV Channel. They cost a ton of money. Any way to dissipate that cost gets my vote, because it helps secure the future of the Channel.  

    Your view is respected, of course, but it is also acknowledged that Abraham Lincoln got it right.  

  • edited March 2013
    i enjoyed it but then i would as i like racing

    tbh i would prefer an even longer programme and for me the 5 minute mention of poker did not really fit in to well for my liking.

    the content was ok aimed at probably the right level which must have been hard ( i mean i would have liked more discussion of the handicaps e.t.c but thats was never going to happen quite rightly)


  • edited March 2013

    I completely accept that business decisions will be driven by financial considerations and if there's something the channel can do to improve the finances of the business, that's what will be done.

    However, the reality is that the channel is named "SkyPoker.com". It's not something that will attract a wider audience by targetting racing fans because racing fans aren't going to have heard of it if they aren't already poker fans. This is especially the case if, as planned, these shows only happen a few times a year, as non-poker fans simply won't know they're happening.

    So it doesn't attract any new viewers and drives some existing viewers away (briefly). If the channel were to be renamed to something like "Sky Poker and Betting" that would be a reasonable step in the direction that the business seems to be taking; trying to draw in those non-poker viewers. Retaining the "Sky Poker" moniker would seem to defeat the purpose of introducing these new shows, regardless of whether the feeling is that the majority of poker players like sports betting.

    If Sky Poker isn't maintaining its own channel on the back of poker alone, then clearly there's a good reason to expand into other things but how do you expand by retaining the Sky Poker name?

    It seems a pretty half-hearted measure at the moment. It may encourage a small number of additional sports bets from those poker players already with an interest in such things but it's short of making a move to actually attract new viewers by broadening the appeal of the channel.

    It's almost a certainty that a new poker player will, on April 2, turn onto a channel named "SkyPoker.com" for the first time and be confronted with a programme about 'orses. Regardless of anything else that can be said on the subject, that is indisputably silly. lol

    I don't have any investment in this, so I don't particularly care if the channel is taken in that direction. The more sports shows on the channel, the less I will be watching the channel but I will still watch and play on Sky Poker. So from a business point of view I can't make an argument against the shows being added to the line-up if the channel were to target that wider audience by marketing itself as a betting channel. At the moment, that doesn't seem to be the plan.

    That's the last I'll say on it, though.

  • edited March 2013
    borin

    i cant find the thread now but the original thread about this i pointed out that attheraces a specialist racing channel that is 24 hours a day (pretty much) of racing worldwide devotes at least an hour every saturday to other sports with no mention of racing...

    if somebody did tune in for the first time when the masters preview was on unless they were excepetionally silly or could not notice the red ticker that is constantly on the screen they would be hard pushed not to realise that poker is the channels aim 99.8% of the time
  • edited March 2013
    I don't think At The Races covering football makes sense either. It obviously doesn't.

    That's even more weird, though. Football is something that's covered 24/7 on several channels. The idea that any football fan is going to choose At The Races' coverage is crackers. They'll only watch if they were going to watch the channel anyway.

    The issue of new poker players tuning in at the wrong time was clearly a side point. Besides which, I don't view any of this as a major issue. These are just my opinions on it. I don't like the sports-betting shows and I don't think they make sense on a channel that is named specifically after poker. I don't really care, though.
  • edited March 2013
    I thought it was great!
    Michael obviously knew his stuff! and though many may be indifferent or angry at it being scheduled on 861.
    It was only an hour and those interested in pursuits outside of poker will have found it extremely informative!
    You only have to visit Punters Corner on the forum and look up Vaigrets Naps competition and Shuvs Punting Diary to see that many regulars enjoy the sport!
    One hour of Horse Racing is far better than constant adverts for PPI and Charitable Donations that you get on other Channels!
    861 gives great entertainment and I cant think of an equivalent channel that gives so many opportunities for members to contribute!
    Roll on the Grand National and Royal Ascot! IMHO
  • edited March 2013
    it doesn't matter to me one way or the other,bringing in these 'off poker topics'
    if it is a sport i'm interested in,say for arguments sake 'Wimbledon' then i'll have a look.
    if it's something like the'Superbowl' for example,i won't.
    some will like the idea,some won't,it's that simple.
    we all have a choice... take it or leave it,don't we.
    if it attracts new viewers or possibly gives existing poker players a nudge in another direction for a gamble,then it's done it's job.
    dev
  • edited March 2013
    Horses finding their way into everything these days ! :-)
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Sports Event Previews on Ch 861. For better or worse.....:
    borin i cant find the thread now but the original thread about this i pointed out that attheraces a specialist racing channel that is 24 hours a day (pretty much) of racing worldwide devotes at least an hour every saturday to other sports with no mention of racing... if somebody did tune in for the first time when the masters preview was on unless they were excepetionally silly or could not notice the red ticker that is constantly on the screen they would be hard pushed not to realise that poker is the channels aim 99.8% of the time
    Posted by bugaloo
    Correct. And it makes perfect business sense, because they utilise Social-Media across both activities to attract new viewers.

    And when Sporting Previews are on Ch 861, we can arrange for SkyBet & SkySports to cross tweet for us.
     
    So, Sky Poker's Twitter Account has around 8,000 followers, the Sky Bet Twitter account has 74,000 Followers, & Sky Sports Twitter has aprox 1,250,000 Followers. And that is serious leverage - we can potentially reach 1,300,000 Folowers instead of 8,000. And this is just via Twitter, there is a bunch of other stuff which is along the same lines.
     
    From that, it is very simple to see the business logic, & how it does attract additional & wider audience. 

    And SOME of those additional viewers will be attracted to the poker site. Others, generally poker specific, will be attracted to Sky Bet.
     
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Sports Event Previews on Ch 861. For better or worse.....:
    i enjoyed it but then i would as i like racing tbh i would prefer an even longer programme and for me the 5 minute mention of poker did not really fit in to well for my liking. the content was ok aimed at probably the right level which must have been hard ( i mean i would have liked more discussion of the handicaps e.t.c but thats was never going to happen quite rightly)
    Posted by bugaloo
    We accept that, & have found a way to address that better in the Grand National Meeting Preview. Approx half the Preview will be for the National itself, the balance will be for the rest of the Fessie.  
  • edited March 2013
    But the trouble is hardly anyone is interested in the races at the Aintree Festival except the big one (and maybe the hurdle on the Saturday). Even the Foxhunters' and the Topham are mere shadows of the races they were 20 years ago becuase of the vast behemoth of Cheltenham dominating targets for the season.
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Sports Event Previews on Ch 861. For better or worse.....:
    In Response to Re: Sports Event Previews on Ch 861. For better or worse..... : "Feedback" as I termed it is a slightly more sophisticated art than "just" listening to what viewers say, it is far far wider than that. Don't forget that there are ways of measuring what financial impact it had on the Business. And if it helps pay it's way, I'm all for it. You would have to ask yourself why other online poker sites do not bear the expense of a TV Channel. They cost a ton of money. Any way to dissipate that cost gets my vote, because it helps secure the future of the Channel.   Your view is respected, of course, but it is also acknowledged that Abraham Lincoln got it right.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    If a betting site doesnt increase income during the cheltnam festival i think you have issues. No dis-respect intended. 


    As i said before im sure sky will make the best desision based on the buiness. But i think if your messureing based on income increase for soemthing that should see a rise in income as flawed. 

    I hope sky do make the correct desision, i did keep the channel on the other day and it fully became background noise.
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: Sports Event Previews on Ch 861. For better or worse.....:
    In Response to Re: Sports Event Previews on Ch 861. For better or worse..... : If a betting site doesnt increase income during the cheltnam festival i think you have issues. No dis-respect intended.  As i said before im sure sky will make the best desision based on the buiness. But i think if your messureing based on income increase for soemthing that should see a rise in income as flawed.  I hope sky do make the correct desision, i did keep the channel on the other day and it fully became background noise.
    Posted by The_Don90
    No offence taken Don, but the analysis & data analysis allows for all that, it is incredibly sophisticated. 

    Everything is done for a reason, & whilst the Staff & Management here regularly get criticised for the decisions they make, it would be fair to say that they are probably better placed to make these judgements than most. Unless you know how much per annum a Bet/Vegas/Bingo or Poker Client is worth to the Business, (they are worth different sums to each leg of the business), then you cannot assess the potential benefit.
     
    Anyway, we are talking about maybe 10 or 12 hours pa of non-poker Live Output out of a total of 750 hours pa of poker output, so around 1.5%, so I hardly think it is overly burdensome to "poker only" viewers.

    Personally, I still think of it as a tremendous bonus that Sky Poker even has a TV channel. Not many sites do. 
  • edited March 2013
    I was the analyst that was originally set to appear with the SkyBet Horse Racing expert, Michael Shinners.

    As an analyst I was really looking forward to it.  But then I realised that I actually knew nothing about racing and couldn't really elaborate on any of the topics that came up!  And hence Tikay took over the reins (get it?!) as he has a lot of knowledge on the subject.

    I did record the show and thought it was great and was aimed perfectly for someone like me, a newbie to the horse racing world.  Anything that keeps the show fresh and interesting is a must do IMO.  Of course there will always be some special editions of this that appeal to more of the audience than others, as I think that an FA Cup/Champions League special with someone like Matt LeTissier would be a massive hit.

    Also when I was just a viewer of the show, I really didn't appreciate at all the behind the scenes team that it takes to make 5 hours of live programming.  I have no idea what the annual budget of the channel is, but I think its safe to say that it is pretty massive.  Anything that legitimises this cost should be explored and embraced.

  • edited March 2013
    Its obvious by reading the above that for skypoker to survive it has to reach a wider audience and I suspect long term the name of the programme will change to sky betting or something similar.
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