Is this always a fold?

CLIOKID

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
smartgolf	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£64.80
coolconn	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£20.19
	Your hole cards	J J
CLIOKID	Raise		£2.00	£2.75	£153.85
goodylad21	Fold
FillPots	Fold
big-bluff	Fold
smartgolf	Raise		£7.75	£10.50	£57.05
coolconn	Fold
CLIOKID	Call		£6.00	£16.50	£147.85
Flop
		10 K 6
smartgolf	Check
CLIOKID	Check
Turn
		K
smartgolf	Bet		£16.50	£33.00	£40.55
CLIOKID	Call		£16.50	£49.50	£131.35
River
		6
smartgolf	All-in		£40.55	£90.05	£0.00

I couldn't work this one out in my head. The table had gone a bit mental in recent hands, partly down to me

Villain had been playing very loose/aggro, I should have probably 4bet but I was being a bit cautious as I had just won a very big pot with a huge call with a very marginal hand and I thought I'd slow down a bit.

So, I get 3-bet and I flat. Fairly standard but against this villain 4bet could have been an option.

The flop is checked to me, I check behind.

The turn pairing the K and he pot bets out? Now I know he isn't checking AK or KK and firing pot on the turn so I call.

River is a 6 double pairing the board - and he shoves. Now I just didn't think that he had a K in his hand and the line just didn't make sense for that.

And AA or QQ I just thought would surely slow down after being called on the turn.

It looks like it should be a fold most of the time here.

Thoughts?

scrumdown

think hes bluffing  betting hes got a ten  your jj is good call

pr1nnyraid

your right his line makes no sense at all. How can he 3 bet and check that board?? u'd be guessing his range, had this guy been 3 betting light? is he a fish??

The only thing that concerns me is that he will know you are a good regular and wont be calling oop light, so why would he try and take this line as a bluff? seems like an overbet to induce a call on the turn, but when you check call the turn OOP he must think you intend on check calling most rivers... so wud he run a bluff here.. I pass this.

CLIOKID

I actually tanked and called at last second.

He had TT and the shove on the river still doesn't make sense but I guess it worked!

pr1nnyraid

that is the sickest river for him, to be fair 10 10 is one of the hand i put him on but wen he shoves the river anyway, a call from JJ seems tempting.

generally tho, if a fish manages to confuse you in a hand and you dont understand their line then i usually let them have the pot.

Hogg321

i dont understand the turn call myself, i think you either fold/raise, find out where you are because the river came he bets out you dont have a clue

offshoot

In Response to Re: Is this always a fold?:

i dont understand the turn call myself, i think you either fold/raise, find out where you are because the river came he bets out you dont have a clue
Posted by Hogg321

what! Why turn your hand into a bluff? Raising the turn is like giving money away.

call turn, fold river.

Unknown

When most people 3bet pre, then check a flop, they have hit it huge. I fold turn over 80% of time. A good thinking playing vbets AA/QQ here.

LadyFingrs

In Response to Re: Is this always a fold?:

think hes bluffing  betting hes got a ten
Posted by scrumdown

does not compute.

With no reads I fold.

Given recent history, I 4-bet pre, but, as played, probably still fold.