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MTT, AK early doors against All in

edited March 2013 in The Poker Clinic
The pots, been raised, called, i 3 bet, and then the 4 bet all in.

Would you call or fold AK this early on?

I had no real reads on opponent, I could be up against AA KK, but was happy enough making the call, i dont know if this is a mistake or not, probably it is marginal. Would you call or fold here?
iceman904 Small blind  15.00 15.00 1380.00
LARSON7 Big blind  30.00 45.00 2572.50
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • A
     
whipit Raise  120.00 165.00 1915.00
skyeguy08 Fold     
thornhil07 Call  120.00 285.00 2975.00
speirs03 Call  120.00 405.00 2885.00
iceman904 Fold     
LARSON7 Raise  180.00 585.00 2392.50
whipit All-in  1915.00 2500.00 0.00
thornhil07 Fold     
speirs03 Fold     
LARSON7 All-in  2392.50 4892.50 0.00
LARSON7 Unmatched bet  567.50 4325.00 567.50
LARSON7 Show
  • K
  • A
   
whipit Show
  • K
  • K
   
Flop
   
  • 8
  • Q
  • J
     
Turn
   
  • 7
     
River
   
  • 6
     
whipit Win Pair of Kings 4325.00

Comments

  • edited March 2013
    In Response to MTT, AK early doors against All in:
    The pots, been raised, called, i 3 bet, and then the 4 bet all in. Would you call or fold AK this early on? I had no real reads on opponent, I could be up against AA KK, but was happy enough making the call, i dont know if this is a mistake or not, probably it is marginal. Would you call or fold here? iceman904 Small blind   15.00 15.00 1380.00 LARSON7 Big blind   30.00 45.00 2572.50   Your hole cards K A       whipit Raise   120.00 165.00 1915.00 skyeguy08 Fold         thornhil07 Call   120.00 285.00 2975.00 speirs03 Call   120.00 405.00 2885.00 iceman904 Fold         LARSON7 Raise   180.00 585.00 2392.50 whipit All-in   1915.00 2500.00 0.00 thornhil07 Fold         speirs03 Fold         LARSON7 All-in   2392.50 4892.50 0.00 LARSON7 Unmatched bet   567.50 4325.00 567.50 LARSON7 Show K A       whipit Show K K       Flop     8 Q J       Turn     7       River     6       whipit Win Pair of Kings 4325.00
    Posted by LARSON7
    No need to be flipping this early, fold & wait for a better spot
  • edited March 2013
    given you've minraised you could easily fold to the jam if you think he's tight, if you raise it to 350 then it's an easy call. 

    350>180 imo
  • edited March 2013
    What do you want to happen when you 3-bet this size? Did you want it to go "call, call, call" so you could play a flop 4-handed, out of position?

    3-bet a more rational amount. As it is you've made it 210 total, I think. I'd make it a bit more than beaneh and go to about 450-500 but the general idea is that you want to isolate one opponent to play a flop or to get it in pre-flop. If you make it that much it becomes a straightforward call when you face the shove.

    As it is, having made it such a small 3-bet we can fold if, as beaneh says, we give our opponent a tight range. He's raised 4x UTG and is 4-betting a big blind min-3-bet and that does suggest extreme strength. That's not a justification for the small 3-bet sizing, though.
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