this is going too far

craigcu12

if the villian is wanting to leave the tournament then why did they join it.
i can't think of any other reason a villian shoves with middle pair preflop.
if he calls he still has chips and with my JJ still being an overpair a bet on the flop followed by a shove on the turn would probably get called so they still get the chips but would not have rneed to hope for it.

REDEYES4	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2350.00
y	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1010.00
	Your hole cards	J J
ANOMALY	Fold
x	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		90.00	135.00	1980.00
swampy858	Fold
REDEYES4	Fold
y	All-in		1010.00	1145.00	0.00
craigcu12	Call		950.00	2095.00	1030.00
y	Show	8 8
craigcu12	Show	J J
Flop
		6 8 7
Turn
		6
River
		K
y	Win	Full House, 8s and 6s	2095.00		2095.00

and later on the same table i try making it bigger to give a better sign yet the villian still seems to think i have rubbish by donking again and so risked his chips for the hope of a set again.

tinger	Small blind		30.00	30.00	2120.00
x	Big blind		60.00	90.00	3470.00
	Your hole cards	J J
craigcu12	Raise		300.00	390.00	1500.00
unit11	Fold
REDEYES4	Fold
y	Fold
tinger	Fold
x	All-in		3470.00	3860.00	0.00
craigcu12	All-in		1500.00	5360.00	0.00
x	Unmatched bet		1730.00	3630.00	1730.00
x	Show	7 7
craigcu12	Show	J J
Flop
		10 Q 10
Turn
		7
River
		4
x	Win	Full House, 7s and 10s	3630.00		5360.00

bearlyther

He played the 1st hand fine its perfectly reasonable to 3 bet jam 30 bigs in that spot.  Second hand you should be minimum raising pre to like 150 5xing is just crazy.  If you make a normal size raise he flats with 7s and we play some poker because your raise is so massive you have only given him 2 options jam or fold and hes opted to jam.  By making it 5x pre you dont achieve anything.

jonjo75

You say you raise more to give a better sign? This makes no sense.
Do you really want your opponent to know you have a big pair?
This is why you keep your raises to a similar size to disguise what you have.
He is not jamming hoping to hit a set. He is hoping you have nothing or Ax and is obv willing to flip if you do.
You want this all day long.

craigcu12

JJ is a one of them pairs i just hate UTG and i loose with it so much when i am UTG by just going small so i just wanted to get it over with prflop.

bearlyther

pocket jacks is a very big hand you shouldnt hate it

gherkin

I would class Jacks as a middle pair to be honest. Any, Q, K or A on the flop and you don't really know where you are. UTG for me it's 2, 3 or 4x raise and then see what happens with a decent stack then it depends on who is calling or raising. Big enough to jam short stacked.

Lambert180

Results orientated FTW!!

You hate jacks but you've posted 2 hands above both with JJ, both you've got it in pre as a massive favourite. The result is irrelevant, in both cases you are effectively winning 80% of the pot longterm.

If I kept getting people jamming into me with 77/88 when I had JJ, I'd be a rich man!

h6667

in a word its rigged

JSTFLIPPIN

In Response to Re: this is going too far:

Results orientated FTW!! You hate jacks but you've posted 2 hands above both with JJ, both you've got it in pre as a massive favourite. The result is irrelevant, in both cases you are effectively winning 80% of the pot longterm. If I kept getting people jamming into me with 77/88 when I had JJ, I'd be a rich man!
Posted by Lambert180

How can you guarantee you would be a rich man? Replay the hand 1000 / 100,000 / 1,000,000 times and the 7's or 8's could still come on top, only on skypoker anyway.

screwy27

always the same high cards never win