TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10

The_Don90

Only previous note was old and basically said the guy had slowplayed KK from the blinds, nothing about how where or when. 

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancehowellzeeSmall blind £0.05£0.05£9.60xBig blind £0.10£0.15£8.33 Your hole cardsJA   BIG444Fold    The_Don90Raise £0.30£0.45£9.50novarapidCall £0.30£0.75£10.41Cash_DaddyFold    howellzeeFold    xCall £0.20£0.95£8.13Flop  Q4A   xCheck    The_Don90Bet £0.80£1.75£8.70novarapidFold    xRaise £2.71£4.46£5.42The_Don90Call £1.91£6.37£6.79Turn  7   xCheck    The_Don90Check    River  6   xCheck    The_Don90

I pot controled turn given his flop play, however on the river should we be checking back or value betting. And why. 

LARSON7

Value betting it, he has just raised to try and get you off the pot.

He's then went check check, there isnt much chance we are behind here. Value bet it all the way.

Lambert180

I bet a bit smaller on the flop but meh.

I think when you call the flop raise and it goes check/check on the turn, and he checks the river, we gotta V-bet. Bet fold though. About £4.10

BorinLoner

I agree with not betting so much on the flop. We don't want to make it hard for our opponent to call us with worse hands.

I also agree that it's a bet/fold on the river, although I wouldn't bet as much as £4. I'd probably bet less than half the pot because his line should mean he has a fairly weak range and just wanted to take it down on the flop. We want to tempt him to call with a rag Ace or Queen. I'd probably just bet £2 or so.

What range did you think he had for check-raising the flop? Not many draws he could have had. If he barrells the turn, are we folding?

Unknown

Whilst value-betting small is good for this hand in particular, Id be very very tempted to check behind and use the information about his c/r range on flop for the future

TommyD

In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10:

Whilst value-betting small is good for this hand in particular, Id be very very tempted to check behind and use the information about his c/r range on flop for the future
Posted by CoxyLboro

So much this, completely dry flop to C/R and shut down on.  If we find out he C/Rs things like KQ for information then that could really help us exploit them in the future.

BorinLoner

+1 Tommy and Coxy.
Can you do a +1 to two posts at once?

The information is probably more valuable than the two quid.

The_Don90

I went for the check back to ge the note, wasnt sure it was right for the long term. 

Annoyingly he insta stood  

NColley

In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10:

I went for the check back to ge the note, wasnt sure it was right for the long term.  Annoyingly he insta stood  
Posted by The_Don90

super frustrating when that happens, that and when they quit the table in the middle of your note and the next time you see them all your existing notes have gone too!

percival09

In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10:

+1 Tommy and Coxy. Can you do a +1 to two posts at once? The information is probably more valuable than the two quid.
Posted by BorinLoner

why when 2 quid is 50bb's

vbet

The_Don90

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In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10 : why when 2 quid is 50bb's vbet
Posted by percival09

£2 is 20BB 

BorinLoner

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In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10 : why when 2 quid is 50bb's vbet
Posted by percival09

It's NL10, so it's only 20BB.

Besides, we'd have to say that our opponent's line makes it fairly uncertain that even this 1/3 pot bet is paid. The value of the information is guaranteed if we check. We're of course assuming that we'll see this chap again when we say check.

Knowing what he's check-raising the flop then giving up on turn and river with should help us out alot more than the 20BB, down the line.

percival09

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

grantorino

if he c/r 2nd pair or Arag he'll call a vbet on river. Id also bet more than 1/3 pot. Also if you dont know hes a reg in the game info is of limited use, especially if its just one single hand you get info on

its a b/f though id find it tough to fold if he c/r me on river cos his line would supertilt me

beaneh

£2.80 on the rivaaaaa

The_Don90

In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10:

if he c/r 2nd pair or Arag he'll call a vbet on river. Id also bet more than 1/3 pot. Also if you dont know hes a reg in the game info is of limited use, especially if its just one single hand you get info on its a b/f though id find it tough to fold if he c/r me on river cos his line would supertilt me
Posted by grantorino

sight for sore eyes good to see you back. 

IDONKCALLU

NColley Posts: 1003 First: 12/6/2009 Last: 22/4/2013

In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10: I went for the check back to ge the note, wasnt sure it was right for the long term.  Annoyingly he insta stood   Posted by The_Don90 super frustrating when that happens, that and when they quit the table in the middle of your note and the next time you see them all your existing notes have gone too!

why is it annoying ? ya got a notepad write the name down n keep notes for when hes next on or he might of just gone to a diff table find him n put notes on him simples