2 stacks 3 mins

robbie1992

I lost to stacks in my opening 3 minutes of my session, that takes some doing, especially after i had my worst ever weekend in 3 years of playing.  Help desperatly needed!

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceRemyMartin Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £35.43 robbie1992 Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £19.15  Your hole cards K J    bigthumbs6 Call  £0.20 £0.50 £22.90 jack_poker Raise  £0.80 £1.30 £28.44 scryer03 Fold     stien Fold     RemyMartin Fold     robbie1992 Call  £0.60 £1.90 £18.55 bigthumbs6 Call  £0.60 £2.50 £22.30 Flop  J 2 4    robbie1992 Check     bigthumbs6 Check     jack_poker Bet  £2.50 £5.00 £25.94 robbie1992 Call  £2.50 £7.50 £16.05 bigthumbs6 Fold     Turn  8    robbie1992 Check     jack_poker Bet  £5.63 £13.13 £20.31 robbie1992 Call  £5.63 £18.76 £10.42 River  Q    robbie1992 Check     jack_poker Bet  £9.38 £28.14 £10.93 robbie1992 All-in  £10.42 £38.56 £0.00 jack_poker Call  £1.04 £39.60 £9.89 robbie1992 Show K J    jack_poker Show J A    jack_poker Win Pair of Jacks £37.80  £47.69
I think this is awful and im beating only a bluff but after the advice i got on the forum it suggested i should c/c more, i personally dont want to c/c all streets with a medium hand and i would of rather raised somwhere.....even if it means folding bluffs because i dont have a hand that i want to play for stacks and i didnt have reads....i think this was a waste of money especially after the river card.

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceskyfly Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £12.78 notfastman Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £10.00  Your hole cards Q Q    Grafix Fold     DEL19 Fold     RemyMartin Fold     robbie1992 Raise  £0.60 £0.90 £20.32 skyfly Call  £0.50 £1.40 £12.28 notfastman Call  £0.40 £1.80 £9.60 Flop  2 9 8    skyfly Bet  £1.80 £3.60 £10.48 notfastman Fold     robbie1992 Raise  £5.00 £8.60 £15.32 skyfly All-in  £10.48 £19.08 £0.00 robbie1992 Call  £7.28 £26.36 £8.04 skyfly Show A A    robbie1992 Show Q Q    Turn  10    River  8    skyfly Win Two Pairs, Aces and 8s £25.04  £25.04
Again after the advice on the forum i should be playing for stacks with queens, i hate the hand and usually play it passiely as it usually losesme alot of money, i played for stacks and lost my stack, again a waste of money.

After the last few days what do i do? iv never felt so exhausted from losing at poker....this is after i had my 2 best mtt results and had 2 weeks of profit at 20nl, whats happened?? please dont say "varience". thanks.

robbie1992

In Response to 2 stacks 3 mins:

I lost to stacks in my opening 3 minutes of my session, that takes some doing, especially after i had my worst ever weekend in 3 years of playing.  Help desperatly needed! Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance RemyMartin Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £35.43 robbie1992 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £19.15   Your hole cards K J       bigthumbs6 Call   £0.20 £0.50 £22.90 jack_poker Raise   £0.80 £1.30 £28.44 scryer03 Fold         stien Fold         RemyMartin Fold         robbie1992 Call   £0.60 £1.90 £18.55 bigthumbs6 Call   £0.60 £2.50 £22.30 Flop     J 2 4       robbie1992 Check         bigthumbs6 Check         jack_poker Bet   £2.50 £5.00 £25.94 robbie1992 Call   £2.50 £7.50 £16.05 bigthumbs6 Fold         Turn     8       robbie1992 Check         jack_poker Bet   £5.63 £13.13 £20.31 robbie1992 Call   £5.63 £18.76 £10.42 River     Q       robbie1992 Check         jack_poker Bet   £9.38 £28.14 £10.93 robbie1992 All-in   £10.42 £38.56 £0.00 jack_poker Call   £1.04 £39.60 £9.89 robbie1992 Show K J       jack_poker Show J A       jack_poker Win Pair of Jacks £37.80   £47.69 I think this is awful and im beating only a bluff but after the advice i got on the forum it suggested i should c/c more, i personally dont want to c/c all streets with a medium hand and i would of rather raised somwhere.....even if it means folding bluffs because i dont have a hand that i want to play for stacks and i didnt have reads....i think this was a waste of money especially after the river card. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance skyfly Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £12.78 notfastman Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £10.00   Your hole cards Q Q       Grafix Fold         DEL19 Fold         RemyMartin Fold         robbie1992 Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £20.32 skyfly Call   £0.50 £1.40 £12.28 notfastman Call   £0.40 £1.80 £9.60 Flop     2 9 8       skyfly Bet   £1.80 £3.60 £10.48 notfastman Fold         robbie1992 Raise   £5.00 £8.60 £15.32 skyfly All-in   £10.48 £19.08 £0.00 robbie1992 Call   £7.28 £26.36 £8.04 skyfly Show A A       robbie1992 Show Q Q       Turn     10       River     8       skyfly Win Two Pairs, Aces and 8s £25.04   £25.04 Again after the advice on the forum i should be playing for stacks with queens, i hate the hand and usually play it passiely as it usually losesme alot of money, i played for stacks and lost my stack, again a waste of money. After the last few days what do i do? iv never felt so exhausted from losing at poker....this is after i had my 2 best mtt results and had 2 weeks of profit at 20nl, whats happened?? please dont say "varience". thanks.
Posted by robbie1992

Did write somthing but it didnt come out.  This is a watse of money but after advice from forum i felt i should c/c all streets more, here i wanted to raise fold somwhere as i dont want to play for stacks with this hand i would rather fold bluffs and win the pot, on the turn i think.  I think this is awful i never thought im winning and its a waste of money.

robbie1992

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
skyfly	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£12.78
notfastman	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£10.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
Grafix	Fold
DEL19	Fold
RemyMartin	Fold
robbie1992	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£20.32
skyfly	Call		£0.50	£1.40	£12.28
notfastman	Call		£0.40	£1.80	£9.60
Flop
		2 9 8
skyfly	Bet		£1.80	£3.60	£10.48
notfastman	Fold
robbie1992	Raise		£5.00	£8.60	£15.32
skyfly	All-in		£10.48	£19.08	£0.00
robbie1992	Call		£7.28	£26.36	£8.04
skyfly	Show	A A
robbie1992	Show	Q Q
Turn
		10
River
		8
skyfly	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 8s	£25.04		£25.04

Again i struggle with queens, i was advised this was a major hand and to play for stacks when i flop well, this is a good flop in my opinion i play for stacks and lost.  I usually play queens fairly passively as i dont want to play for stacks with it, always seems to be at the bottom of most big potranges.

This is all on the back of my worst weekend in 3 years after having my best 2 mtt results and having 2 weeks of profit at cash and feeling i learnt abit on training sites.

Whats happened and what should i do ?? this weekend has made me feel terriable lol

LARSON7

The first hand, you could have got away from it on the turn or river, especially the river. By the point the river hits the only thing you are beating is a bluff, if you had reads to say ur opponent will 3 barrell bluff then the call is fair enough, but his line does not look like a bluff.

Second hand it is a bit of a cooler, when we are reraised it's a shove or fold. Either is fine in my opinion, it is such a dry board so can't really put opponent on any draws or the like. I would have prob shoved here to given the stacks.

Unlucky

GELDY

ul m8 on your downswing

kj off is a never an easy call in the blinds. usually an easy fold. unlucky running into aj, but highlights the problem with the hand which is you never know where you are if you catch a piece of the flop. as rancid said on another thread, avoid playing hands that will make life difficult for you.

KING2600

First hand I'd fold pre. I'm a massive advocate of position in cash. As played depends on your reads on the player, is he capable of a 3-barrel-bluff? 

Second hand, unlucky. Mark down that opponent is capable of calling with aces pre as opposed to 3-betting. Well played him.

robbie1992

Thanks guys, poker is just hard to take, I worked so hard and got good results and thought I'm improving then u have a few days like this and it's just destroying lol

Yeah I No kj was a mistake oop yet I do it so often, I usually would fold the turn but I got advice on hands and it made me think I was going far enough in hands, it concussed me really I might not post no more seems to confuse me more then help.

My think for it was I got top pair and I called the turn thinking he might continue his bluff and if the flush don't hit he would shove with the bluff, I just had no equity at all tho against a hand, pathetic play really.

After the last few days what do u recommend I do, take a break, keep playing or try stop playing?

KING2600

In Response to Re: 2 stacks 3 mins:

Thanks guys, poker is just hard to take, I worked so hard and got good results and thought I'm improving then u have a few days like this and it's just destroying lol Yeah I No kj was a mistake oop yet I do it so often, I usually would fold the turn but I got advice on hands and it made me think I was going far enough in hands, it concussed me really I might not post no more seems to confuse me more then help. My think for it was I got top pair and I called the turn thinking he might continue his bluff and if the flush don't hit he would shove with the bluff, I just had no equity at all tho against a hand, pathetic play really. After the last few days what do u recommend I do, take a break, keep playing or try stop playing?
Posted by robbie1992

Do you want to play? If yes, then play. If you don't then take a break and play again when you want to.

huuuuume

as others have said the first hand is pretty bad.  the second hand looks fine against an unknown but make sure you note it down for when you play against them again.

keep playing but focus on the basics. 

you should aim to play in position wherever possible e.g. fold KJoff when you in the blinds (unless you 3bet)
stop thinking that your opponents are making all sorts of moves etc.  if they fire three barrels at you its because they have a big hand not for any other reason.  keep it simple

bearlyther

In Response to Re: 2 stacks 3 mins:

as others have said the first hand is pretty bad.  the second hand looks fine against an unknown but make sure you note it down for when you play against them again. keep playing but focus on the basics.  you should aim to play in position wherever possible e.g. fold KJoff when you in the blinds (unless you 3bet) stop thinking that your opponents are making all sorts of moves etc.  if they fire three barrels at you its because they have a big hand not for any other reason.  keep it simple
Posted by huuuuume

Why should we fold kj in the blinds and why should we 3 bet?  So your saying mostly folding sometimes 3 betting but never flatting?  I disagree with this a lot

GELDY

poker can be like playing golf at times - hear me out on this....

at golf, so i am told, when you change your swing (to improve your technique) the initial effect is to worsen your play until you get the hang of it, and then your results improve.

same with poker - learn a new technique (calling down the streets for example) and until you get experienced at it you'll make a lot of mistakes - but it is worth learning because one will be a better player therafter.

but while learning something new it is worth playing more ABC (ie folding KJ oop) tokeep the focus

huuuuume

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In Response to Re: 2 stacks 3 mins : Why should we fold kj in the blinds and why should we 3 bet?  So your saying mostly folding sometimes 3 betting but never flatting?  I disagree with this a lot
Posted by bearlyther

i think you missed the point. if you read it carefully you will realise i'm not advocating it as a black/white way to play the hand. it was advice to OP who may find he is leaking chips without reason at nl20 by making these calls pre flop multi way. also, in the hand shown OP has called down and stacked with top pair post flop in a situation where he could have easily avoided it.

NColley

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In Response to Re: 2 stacks 3 mins : Why should we fold kj in the blinds and why should we 3 bet?  So your saying mostly folding sometimes 3 betting but never flatting?  I disagree with this a lot
Posted by bearlyther

Playing pots oop with no initiative vs likely strongish range (people don't iso MP vs UTG wide) isn't going to be profitable.

Folding is fine. 3betting as a bluff is also fine.

percival09

peeling pre is fine hand 1. as is 3betting/folding. need reasons 

hand 1 fold @ some point, just call river and save yourself a quid

hand 2 fine

The_Don90

Defo no need to go broke with the KJ hand we only beat TJ and is that in range.

QQ meh ul 

bearlyther

In Response to Re: 2 stacks 3 mins:

peeling pre is fine hand 1. as is 3betting/folding. need reasons  hand 1 fold @ some point, just call river and save yourself a quid hand 2 fine
Posted by percival09

+1 to this we need reasons for 3 betting and reasons for flatting.  just because we have kj and we are oop does not make it an automatic 3 bet

grantorino

Readless

1 Fold pre, fold river. Flatting pre or 3b/f pre can be fine with reads

2. Why are we getting it in on flop? Flat imo

robbie1992

i think flatting might be not too bad if i know my opponents and no there will be a way to win the hand post flop but it was early on so i dont no my opponents so it should of been a fold, i dont think italways has to be but its true its hard work oop with an average hand.

Thanks for all the different views it helps to hear how felllow players are thinking, i dunno it i will take a break or continue playing its jsut frustrating that i have profitable weeks and get 2 of my best results ever this month and worked hard on training sites too improve and then have a downswing like this and play like a fish, just frustarting how inconsistance things are