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AJ UTG in a MTT facing a 3 bet, 15k stack blinds 500/1000
I was playing in a MTT, blinds were 500-1000, I'm sitting with 15k.
UTG i have AJ, raise to 2200, I'm 3 bet to 6k and shove. I was snap called with AK.
It was a 9 handed table, with 17 players remaining.
SHould i just be folding AJ UTG in this spot? Or was it ok just over min raising here, and shoving to the 3bet?
Comments
AJ is probably the bottom of your range for raising 9-handed, UTG with 15BB. When our oppo 3-bets, what does that mean for his range? If he's competent, he probably has you crushed.
Whether you should be min-raising AJ UTG out of a 15BB stack, intending to fold is probably a matter which will be debated. Once again, it depends on your thoughts on your opponents and whatnot. There may be times to just open-shove, though I'm not sure that's necessarily good 9-handed. There may be times when it's just best to fold.
Enlightening post this one. My answer: It depends.
Looking back, i'm just knew to the table, i should have just folded and got a feel for the table, i was still sitting with average stack with a few short stacks, there could of been better spots. But as played, i feel i had to shove, after the 3 bet.
I think it was a mistake playing the hand in the first place. In saying that once i've opened i wouldnt exactly like folding either, i've raised 2bb, and am folding leaving myself 12/13 bb.
Assuming we're not going to flat and we never have any fold equity in this situation, I think we'd be looking at 13k to win a pot of roughly 30k. (Is that right?)
Those are pot odds of about 43%. That means we need to have the best hand alot of the time to offset all the times we're a 30% dog and the odd occasion when we're about 5% against AA... how often are we being 3-bet by AT or worse?
Don't make the mistake of calling off your stack with worse odds than you need, just because you don't like the idea of folding. If you don't think you have the correct odds and if you'd be left with a playable stack, then make the fold.
For example, if you're certain that you can raise and everyone at the table will fold unless they have AA, KK, QQ or AK, then you're probably safe in raise-folding every single hand. Obviously the more players to act behind you, the more likely it is that you'll run into one of those hands but even UTG 9-handed, raise-folding should be profitable in that situation.
I think it's safe to say that some of our opponents at a 9-handed table will have wider 3-betting ranges than that. That's something we of course have to judge and will impact on whether raise-folding, raise-GII or just open-folding is best. If we raise and are 3-bet, whether we get it in depends on the range we give our opponent and how our hand plays against that, not on some sense that "We can't raise-fold with 15BB".
The suggestion of knowing that the entire table is only 3-betting super-tight is an extreme example of when we should be raise-folding against the entire table. Raise-calling would be mental if we know that our equity is guaranteed to be below 30% and our pot odds are around 43%. That's just bad, so raise-calling would be bad against every player at the table in this scenario.
If we talk about 8 opponents, Players A-H, and players B, D and F are only 3-betting us with that super-narrow range, then raise-calling against these guys would be terrible. We can't say "I only had 15BB and I've bet 2 of them so I MUST call even though I know this guy always has me crushed".
We raise-call against the other individuals based on our perceptions of their ranges. So we raise and say "I'll call it off against everyone but players B, D and F".
Not having a raise-fold range with 15BB is crazy if we know that some of our opponents' 3-betting ranges have us crushed while the open-raise still has value. It's a bad "rule". You've got to adjust to your opponent.
stacks define range combined with tendacies
your not folding to a 7bb stack are you
plus, very likely you have the best hand to:
1. take the blinds
2. worse calls that you dominate or fit fold flop
why do we raise ?
folding is just negative expectation
given the correct circumstances, it's a r/f or o/f
depends )
Within a few minutes blinds would be 1k2k leaving me with 5/6 bbs.