Open ended straight draw

LARSON7

In this hand, in the big blind, on the flop i have an openended straight draw.

Would you always bet here, when i hit the straight on the turn, i bet, am reraised and repop it again.

On the river when the board pairs, i check back, due to the reraise on the turn, i'm putting my opponent on a set,/ 2 pair. Whne opponent shoves, i think theres a good chance i'm beat, but i think i still have to call. Tough spot.

Would you be betting the flop? Bigger on the turn? Can we ever fold river?

Any feedback appreciated:D

	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£9.93
LARSON7	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.33
	Your hole cards	10 J
J0NSEY	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.12
raggy94	Fold
garazmafia	Fold
soundie	Fold
slackalice	Fold
LARSON7	Check
Flop
		K Q 4
LARSON7	Check
J0NSEY	Check
Turn
		9
LARSON7	Bet		£0.08	£0.18	£3.25
J0NSEY	Raise		£0.21	£0.39	£2.91
LARSON7	Raise		£0.52	£0.91	£2.73
J0NSEY	Call		£0.39	£1.30	£2.52
River
		K
LARSON7	Check
J0NSEY	All-in		£2.52	£3.82	£0.00
LARSON7	Call		£2.52	£6.34	£0.21
LARSON7	Show	10 J
J0NSEY	Show	9 9
J0NSEY	Win	Full House, 9s and Kings	£5.86

chicknMelt

This is my opinion...

the check on the flop was fine. I also dont mind betting. depends on any reads on your opponent.

I think the 3bet on the turn was a little on the small side. The villans rr tells you he most likely has a big hand and there are quite a few river cards that arent going to be good for you in terms of getting paid, or going behind in the hand (A, T, J, any spade, any card that pairs the board). I'd like to see something like a 3bet to 70p, maybe more even if you think he will call.

as it is, on the river the pot is £1.30, and the villain shoves for £2.52. 2 things about this that make it a painful fold in my book - 

 1-at the lower levels no one ever overbets as a bluff

 2- you have shown alot of strength so they are even less likely to be bluffing. value hands are all going to be full houses/quads. i spose there is also a small chance they have JT too, or if they are a particularly bad player, they may have a naked K, but you are still behind to most of their range.

on the river I would probably try a half pot bet and fold to a shove- saves about £1.80 + you could get paid by a weaker hand like 2pair or a K.

grantorino

Raise pre

Bet flop

3b turn bigger

B/c river

LARSON7

Yeah the turn should have been bigger, i went to press 1/2 or 3/4 pot, the auot size and it was 2 big, then when the time bar was going down i scrambled something in, which was 2 low. On the river, i should of bet folded.

Justa tought spot, the only card i did not to see was the board pairing.

IDONKCALLU

grantorino Posts: 4346 First: 9/4/2011 Last: 26/4/2013

Raise pre Bet flop 3b turn bigger B/c river 100 per cent this

chicknMelt

IDONKCALLU and grantorino - what range do you put the villan on if they shove the river after you bet? in this case if you do bet the flop, 3bet turn bigger then bet the river you probably dont have much behind anyway so I dont think that is a bad line. 

in this case a 1/2 pot bet on the river leaves almost a pot bet behind... would you still be bet calling?

BorinLoner

Larson, what was the number you considered to be "too big" on the turn? We've got the nuts and our opponent is showing alot of interest. We want to play for stacks here so we need to make a raise that allows us to get it in on the river if we're called. I think we should be looking for maximum value and making it 90p-£1. Let's see if we can get him to make a bg mistake rather than a small one. We can now shove the river if we're called.

As played, we definitely should be value-betting the river. He can call a bet with alot of hands that he might just check back with, if given the chance. We should still be pretty confident in our hand. I'd think half-pot would be missing a bit of value in this situation so I'd bet bigger. I'd suggest maybe a nice, round number like £1 that looks like you might just be getting stubborn with your bluff.

When we're raised on the river we have to consider our opponent's range for making that raise. Given that he checked back on the flop and didn't raise pre-flop, we shouldn't make KK, QQ or KQ a big part of his range. There's a good chance that 44 bets this KQ4 flop, too. So we're looking at K9 and 99 as the most likely hands that beat us... We just need to decide how often our opponent is raising a bare-King here and, if we had bet £1, we'd need those Kx hands to make up roughly a quarter of his range to make the call break-even.

It's probably a bet-call on the river, on that basis. Obviously if you think your opponent never gets it in with just a King or worse, then it's a bet-fold.

IDONKCALLU

they could easily have k 10  k j here its a snap call river we are beating alot of hands   but i wouldnt of checked the river hand is played kinda bad tbh should be raising preflop 

bet flop bet turn bet river its hard enuff to hit big so when ya do get paid on them

BorinLoner

I did fail to address pre-flop and the flop play.

I'm going to agree with betting the flop. You're semi-bluffing with good equity and you'll just take it down very often against a limper. We can decide whether to barrell turn and river based on our opinion of our opponent and the run-out and sometimes take down a sizeable pot without hitting, as well as building a bigger pot for the times we hit.

Pre-flop, I don't mind checking our option sometimes. I don't mind raising sometimes. Depends what we think of our opponent - how often they limp-fold, how often they play fit or fold, what's their range for limping, etc. On the other hand, I don't want to discourage my opponents from limping in on my big blind so I don't want to raise too wide a range. Getting a free flop with the nut-drawing hand is not a bad plan...

What must be said is that checking is not just the automatic option. You have to treat even checking your big blind the same way as you'd treat any other betting option. By that I mean that when checking you have to justify why it's the best way to exploit your opponent - Think "Why is checking better than raising?" rather than just "Ooooh, free flop. Yey!"