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nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?
HI R
EXACTLY!
Not really a cash player but a limp utg seems a bit odd. Trappy or suited connectors? No idea what kind of player x is. By river a number of draws(fl and str have got there) so i think a bet would be of no use, i suspect...check for me on river and get good info too!
PS KJs certainly fits the bill here i feel.
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value bet.
I don't think they're checking down a flush or straight and think there are enough hands out there to pay you off
P.S. Welcome back
If you don't think he'll see it as weak and raise light, then your initial point makes no sense.
So we bet £3 with our set of 8s, someone with a miss draw or w/e thinks 'that's a weak bet, I'll raise to £10', we snap and say 'ty sir'.
If people raise this bet with bluffs, good. If they don't then again you're original statement is wrong, gotta be one or the other.
"i dnt agree with dohhh if u bet £3 ya hand looks exactly what it is and trying to extract some thin value so any player with a brain would know this and raise"
So we look weak to induce the bluff, if we think he is 'half decent', then snap call it off?
major issue with this hand, what does oppo continue with on flop ? KJ/J10/J9/Adxd
then the board runs out blockers to most FD/SD combos
How can I not shove river ?
or do we just b/f and if so how much so we don't have to call it off ?
what range is oppo limp/calling UTG, it's so narrow by river to get value from AQ/A10 - super dooper thin Ax
you guys - get a room
bet/fold £3 is better than check back imo.
Might be a better amount, but betting 3 beans /> checking
unless we know that he thinks £3 'looks like exactly what it is', then we can bet/snap call!
So looking at oppo range what percentage of that c/f, c/c or c/r.
What is oppo range ? what calls you £7 that you beat as opposed to call or raises with better
surely we are just throwing away £3 or £7
do we jst hope oppo has AQ/A10/Ax/Q8 and happily stations three streets on that run out
loosing 0 />3 />7
does oppo bluff catch a shove or fold better if we shove !
winning pot />winning £7 )
Don't know who that is directed at but thanks for your input...
now tell me the f...cking password
lol IDCU, that was a quick comeback!
It's nice to be nice. Would it not be best deleting some of the above posts. Totally pointless, flaming people.
Well done atleast 1 was deleted!
why u delete that silly post where you rubbish my game ?
Post it back up so everyone can see what a silly boy you are )
think you have problems with engaing in debate about poker hands, maybe you should avoid it because it's obviously goes over your head.
but again thanks for the input
But to then have a go at people, and hide it behind "lols" and "lmaos" putting it across as banter just seems like a waste of energy and time.
You seem like a good guy, but some of that stuff is uncalled for.
Don't understand what the guys problem is and why he feels the need to rubbish my game and then delete the post -
Super inflated perception of how good you are IDCU ?
wow
So I'd be betting £7 or so here, just the same as if I had the nuts. Our opponent's range doesn't figure to be all that strong, given the action, but I think we will be called often enough to make the £7 better than £3. I don't think it narrows his calling range much more than the £3.
I don't know if we'd bet any weaker hands than bottom set on this river but unless we know he's not calling down with two-pairs, I think we should bet.
If we have a problem with another forum reg it would be best to settle it via PM and not on threads like this. We're all grown ups here, let's treat each other with the respect we deserve.
Struggling to see what part of oppo range still stations river and if so oppo call's £13 equally as calls £7.
How can we be certain that oppo always has the weak part of their range to be betting.
what's in weak part of oppo range that call river if we bet ?
Are they calling because they are station or have a bluff catcher ?
both ends of oppo range have us beat, so we are beating a very narrow portion.
If we are considering v/b verus a smaller percentage of combos, then this has got to be -EV.
Funny thing is if we beleive oppo will station river with such a weak holding then maybe we should just shove !
Will a shove fold out hands that have us beat if oppo is not a station but how do we balance that with oppo folding better.
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More I think about it, I like a check because if we bet most of the time we are beat
But anyway, anyone fancy a check on the turn ?
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Yeah respect, I don't give respect when people don't show respect.
We're basically looking to be called by only two-pairs or stationed with top-pair, yes. However, having checked the river I wouldn't expect him to have many better hands. Our range should be a lot of hands that check-back the river but might call a bet so if he has a flush or a straight himself he should bet. Whether he believes that or not, who knows?
If we don't think we'll be called by two-pair hands or worse then don't bet, obviously. However, I wouldn't think he has better very often so give him the chance to call with worse.
but J9/J10 sooted gives up on turn
given board runs out 10d, 9d - destroys fd combo and narrows down to offsuit
what two prs ? AQ/A10/Q8
one prs - possible Ax
what portion we v/b against Ax,AQ
factor in strong limp/call range of AA/QQ
random suited K10's, Ax's
still looks like value combos have us in bad shape and turns up with more combos that have us beat but honestly might do some concrete maths later