stupid fold or good fold?

webby234

webby234	Small blind		15.00	15.00	1845.00
ROBBIE_	Big blind		30.00	45.00	985.00
	Your hole cards	4 4
hogmurph31	Fold
BAGGIE_13	Raise		60.00	105.00	2395.00
dreamer404	Fold
garry1963	Call		60.00	165.00	1810.00
webby234	Call		45.00	210.00	1800.00
ROBBIE_	Call		30.00	240.00	955.00
Flop
		5 7 4
webby234	Check
ROBBIE_	Bet		180.00	420.00	775.00
BAGGIE_13	Raise		480.00	900.00	1915.00
garry1963	Raise		780.00	1680.00	1030.00

i will let you know what happened after i see what you guys would have done

phil12uk

I dont know what type of game this is Webby but ur 2 moves are shove or fold. 

As u have played ur 4,4 in order to hit a set i would suggest that now u have done that u should want all ur chips in the middle.  However, with a bet, raise and reraise ur set looks done for and the fold would therefore be the decision to make.

LadyFingrs

plz tell me that you shoved....

Talon

 All the problems in this hand occurred preflop. With a STUPID minraise and 3 calls nobody has defined their hand in anyway and they could be holding absolutely anything. I am trying to find ranges of hand sthat suit the post flop betting. A7 is definately in the mix as well as the flopped straight and or flush draw, pocket 5's and pocket 7's are also possible.

  Even if you fold i can see this going at least 2 handed all in at this point in that situation how much do you like bottom set. You only have 60 invested and at this point the betting would suggest that you are behind or there is at least 1 big draw out there. This for me is a cut and run situation.Take the 60 chip hit and sit back and watch the carnage ensue. You can find a much better spot than this to get your chips in the pot

MereNovice

In Response to Re: stupid fold or good fold?:

 All the problems in this hand occurred preflop. With a STUPID minraise and 3 calls nobody has defined their hand in anyway and they could be holding absolutely anything. I am trying to find ranges of hand sthat suit the post flop betting. A7 is definately in the mix as well as the flopped straight and or flush draw, pocket 5's and pocket 7's are also possible.   Even if you fold i can see this going at least 2 handed all in at this point in that situation how much do you like bottom set. You only have 60 invested and at this point the betting would suggest that you are behind or there is at least 1 big draw out there. This for me is a cut and run situation.Take the 60 chip hit and sit back and watch the carnage ensue. You can find a much better spot than this to get your chips in the pot
Posted by Talon

I don't know how you run with cards but I can go weeks without finding a better spot than this to get my chips in the pot.
We could easily be up against two overpairs, or an overpair and a flush draw with two overcards. Even if someone has got the very unlikely straight, we are not in a horrid spot. If someone has flopped a better set, we just move onto the next game (or suck-out).

Rattious

I agree with Colin above.. this hand came about because of the preflop action - no one has any idea where they are when the flop comes down and its entirely likely that any of the other three played 68 suited for 60 chips - equally its possible that there is a big slick or pocket rockets out there over betting a missed flop whilst kicking themselves for slow playing preflop!

In short you dont know! But you do know facing a bet, a raise and a reraise no one is leaving this pot other than you (hence the title of your post) I think you could fold if you reason that you are probably ahead but likely to be outdrawn if three other players stay in the hand with you...

But if all four of you are all in, you are getting nearly 3:1 and even if your set of 4's isnt good you are just about getting the right price to draw to a FH or Quads!

Calling and letting the others raise you all in is going to get the maximum pot with a great starting hand and a price to draw to an improved hand.

webby234

i agree with some of the posts, i could find a better spot, i have only lost 60 chips and decided to get away from the pot and wait for a better spot, funnily enough, there was no more action on this hand, garry showed he had the hit the straight, so i would have needed to hit the full house to win this pot, i was planning to move all in after the raise but when garry decided to re raise i was certain i was behind so got out of the way, thanks for your thoughts guys

byrdy89

u play 44 to flop a set....u flop a set i fink the hand plays itself imo

pr1nnyraid

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u play 44 to flop a set....u flop a set i fink the hand plays itself imo
Posted by byrdy89

Yea I think it looks like a nitty fold, but i think he was looking to flop a set and get it in against the PFR with an overpair. I think he did well to assess the action and change his line and pass. WP

Rattious

Some fold by Baggie then when he could call for pretty much 6:1 for his money

webby234

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plz tell me that you shoved....
Posted by LadyFingrs

i folded, pretty obvious i was behind, no point in trying to get lucky when i hd only wasted 60 chips, it was  £5.50 dym

Dudeskin8

What we're the other two hands?

webby234

winner had straight, nobody called him

Rattious

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In Response to Re: stupid fold or good fold? : i folded, pretty obvious i was behind, no point in trying to get lucky when i hd only wasted 60 chips, it was  £5.50 dym
Posted by webby234

Next time can you tell us that the hand is from a double your money sit and go, because the truth is that double your money mentality is different to tournament and cash play.

EDIT Just to spell it out you were not trying to win, you were just trying not to lose.