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20NL - KK, Horrible Flop, Worse Turn
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That's mad nitty in my book, sure it's a wet flop and turn, but come on- you were preflop aggressor and checked flop, if he's a decent player he's picked up on your lack of love for that board. Call the turn and see what happens on river, kings still rate to be good a lot of the time here.
That's mad nitty in my book, sure it's a wet flop and turn, but come on- you were preflop aggressor and checked flop, if he's a decent player he's picked up on your lack of love for that board. Call the turn and see what happens on river, kings still rate to be good a lot of the time here.
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Tried to get it shown on 861 tonight but they didn't get round to it.
Good fold, or really nitty?
I didn't c-bet the flop because it just smashes a lot of people's calling ranges pre and I'm just gonna get check/raised loads and hate life. Then the turn card just makes me hate life even more...
Why on earth are you checking?
You charge people 0 for a draw and more importantly get 0 info.
They could easily have A10, AK, QQ, 88-, A9, K10, Q10....
BET.THE.FLOP.
You are beating A LOT of oppos range. KK has great showdown value too. For you to fold to one bet is criminal IMO.
BET.THE.FLOP.
AHHHHHH
At least if you get check raised on the flop then youve gained some info.
Totally Bizarre!
There is so much you are still crushing
FWIW, I don't think it's quite as horrible as the first two posts have said but I can be argued round. Torn about the flop, it's just all over someone's calling range to have made 2pr, pr + draws etc and yes I can charge them for draws but I'm happier to pot control cos if I end up playing a big pot on a board like this I'm gonna be beat.
Turn is pretty horrible card in terms of the fact I don't think he's taking the betting lead without at least decent equity V me on such a horrible board, don't think he's ever gonna bother bluffing on a board like this when the pot is tiny.
Thinking about it, I'm probably deep enough to just flat the turn purely to draw to what would be the nut house. That is pretty nitty.
Urgh the more I look at this, the more it feels horrible folding, but every option seems horrible.
They called you preflop. Yes, it's part of their range and they could be trapping you. But FIND OUT!!! If they check/raise that board, it's not nice- you might want to consider folding then, I guess. Way better than folding to a single bet on the turn though. What's more likely is they call or fold, then you have some info and more importantly- position. If he calls you most likely get a check on that turn, you can then check behind and see the river card cheaply.
It's pretty rare on a non A flop to have a good reason for not c-betting kings, and almost all the exceptions are to hide the strength of your hand, not out of fear.
I saw your flop check-back
Not looking forward to seeing in the morning what you've left for me Smit.
I blame it all on running/playing bad for like 3 weeks straight... bound to mess with your head.
In Response to Re: 20NL - KK, Horrible Flop, Worse Turn:
At the end of the day, it was one hand. Don't worry about it.Could be an inspired fold! Either way, wouldn't dwell on it.
Hand History #665652812 (21:59 23/06/2013)
However this one is naughty wet and bang in the range of the oppo to have 1 pair/ 2 pair and strong draws, possibly combo draws. I think we have to bet it.
As played a ninja would have had to had stabbed me through the throat, THROUGH THE THROAT, TWICE, to make me pass to that one bet. We're under repped and my default line is call turn call river.
Your probably more concerned with getting one pr over the line with 200bigs on this flop, nothing to say we can't just play streets.
It was obv a sick soul read people, you heard Hawk say he had a FH so it was a good fold*
Yes I agree, it was badly played and Liamboi has probably touched on why, definitely lacking confidence after not having a winning session for like 3+ weeks (excluding last night where I did make a profit). Meh, glad such a terrible mistake on this occasion only led to me gifting someone 3xBB as appose to my usual mistakes that involve barrelling 3 streets w/ air and gifting someone 100+ BBs.
Will not be doing this again, rest assured
*I'm joking!