Ship the Turn 2 protect my hand?

LARSON7

Queen on the river was the last card i wanted to see!

FlyingDagg	Small blind		20.00	20.00	2402.50
arthur1962	Big blind		40.00	60.00	4542.50
	Your hole cards	K A
LARSON7	Raise		80.00	140.00	2185.00
Boxster	Call		80.00	220.00	1635.00
ballard88	Fold
theblade16	Fold
FlyingDagg	Fold
arthur1962	Call		40.00	260.00	4502.50
Flop
		K 7 5
arthur1962	Check
LARSON7	Bet		195.00	455.00	1990.00
Boxster	Call		195.00	650.00	1440.00
arthur1962	Fold
Turn
		3
LARSON7	Bet		487.50	1137.50	1502.50
Boxster	Call		487.50	1625.00	952.50
River
		Q
LARSON7	Check
Boxster	Bet		640.00	2265.00	312.50
LARSON7	Call		640.00	2905.00	862.50
Boxster	Show	K Q
LARSON7	Muck	K A
Boxster	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and Queens	2905

Lambert180

No, just bet normal. If he wants to pay the incorrect price to get there, let him. Shoving will fold out too many hands that would call a smaller bet even though you have them crushed

LARSON7

Can we fold the river? I've checked cause KQ is all over his range, i think i'm behind, but it's a crying call

Lambert180

So is KJ.

Btw 3x pre at this stage

gazza127

Larsonnnnnnnnnnn.  You know that min raising UTG is going to attract a lot of cr*p hands behind you to call.  KQ probably comes along anyway though but still... 

Cant shove the turn.... like ever. 2k into a 455 pot?  never worth it and you risking youre entire stack with no read other than oppo has hit the flop in some way.  He could easily have 55 or 77 for example.

Otherwise its all standard stuff IMO and well played.  Call on the end is very villain dependant but by this stage you can rule out sets and probably k7, k5, k3 as theyd raise the turn.  You are losing to an odd flush draw thats come along for the ride like 68 hearts but still beating KJ and K10 that would have come for the ride as well.   Would be a tough lay down.

I'll say again.  Dont be results orientated.  If that rivers a brick then youve got max value from your hand.  Shoving turn folds out most hands you are beating and just gives people chips if theyve got you crushed.

BorinLoner

Firstly, we need a good reason to be min-raising with these stacks. You're playing 56BB and you're the effective stack. Are you going to be playing lots of speculative hands UTG, like suited connectors and gappers? If not, then you're entire range for raising UTG is value hands, so just bet bigger because 3x gets us more value than a min-raise. You're not balanced by min-raising if you're only playing value hands anyway.

The flop is fine.

I think you should be betting smaller on the turn, if anything. Betting 487.5 out of our opponent's stack of 1440 just forces him to decide whether he's committing to the pot or not. He can't call this and fold the river and there aren't many draws for him to be holding. We don't want to narrow his range so much by forcing him to decide here and now. We can bet 350 or so here and still have less than a pot-sized bet on the river.

Shoving the turn to "protect your hand" is a flawed concept here. What are you trying to protect it from? There are just so few rational draws for him to have. Any flush draw he might have picked up on the turn would also have needed to have some equity on the flop and the straight draws on the flop either got there with the 3 on the turn or have lost equity with only one card to come. If he's holding any draw, we don't want him to fold anyway.

Sometimes our opponent is going to catch up. That's the game. It's not something we should be afraid of.

On the river, I'd be leading out for value and cursing the fact that he got there. Any value bet on the river, with this Stack to Pot Ratio is going to be a shove.

percival09

[ ] worse hands calling is a problem 

wp

EDIT: didn't even see that you c/c otr. Ship it

NColley

Really detest how this client has decimals of a chip. Just why.

Anyways river is just your bog standard everyday value ship. Ships them chippies.

Even more so on this site (and definately if a BH) because you can guarantee they ain't folding with their KJ's, KT's, K9's ect ect because they has top pair init.

SHANXTA

you set the hand up pretty well for a river ship, so shiiiiiiiiiiiiiip it