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River Situations

edited June 2013 in The Poker Clinic
1)
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
migs3 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £6.08
supercrazy Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £19.18
  Your hole cards
  • 6
  • A
     
rickross08 Fold     
robbie1992 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £41.23
rangersdav Call  £0.30 £0.75 £9.55
migs3 Fold     
supercrazy Fold     
Flop
   
  • 4
  • K
  • 3
     
robbie1992 Check     
rangersdav Bet  £0.56 £1.31 £8.99
robbie1992 Call  £0.56 £1.87 £40.67
Turn
   
  • A
     
robbie1992 Check     
rangersdav Bet  £1.40 £3.27 £7.59
robbie1992 Call  £1.40 £4.67 £39.27
River
   
  • A
     
robbie1992      
      
  
  • 6
   
  

   
       
The check on the flop is a misclick , I would of cb.  River value bet.....how much ?

2)
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
spik1966 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £13.14
hat27 Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £2.48
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • A
     
gilber1955 Call  £0.10 £0.25 £10.69
moondog809 Fold     
robbie1992 Raise  £0.40 £0.65 £15.00
KP03 Fold     
spik1966 Fold     
hat27 Fold     
gilber1955 Call  £0.30 £0.95 £10.39
Flop
   
  • A
  • 8
  • J
     
gilber1955 Check     
robbie1992 Bet  £0.50 £1.45 £14.50
gilber1955 Call  £0.50 £1.95 £9.89
Turn
   
  • Q
     
gilber1955 Check     
robbie1992 Bet  £1.20 £3.15 £13.30
gilber1955 Call  £1.20 £4.35 £8.69
River
   
  • 2
     
gilber1955 Check     
robbie1992      






Is this a value bet, if so how much ?
 
Is it b/f / b/c?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
BandC Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £6.08
supercrazy Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £9.90
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
KingPhill Call  £0.10 £0.25 £10.25
AFFMAHEED Fold     
robbie1992 Raise  £0.50 £0.75 £10.99
xCall  £0.50 £1.25 £13.40
BandC Call  £0.45 £1.70 £5.63
supercrazy Fold     
KingPhill Fold     
Flop
   
  • 6
  • 8
  • 3
     
BandC Check     
robbie1992 Bet  £1.00 £2.70 £9.99
Call  £1.00 £3.70 £12.40
BandC Fold     
Turn
   
  • 8
     
robbie1992 Bet  £1.85 £5.55 £8.14
Raise  £3.80 £9.35 £8.60
      
      
      
      
     
      
I Played against this opponent often, his usually straightforward, has mixed it up once or twice but I think 80% if time his straightforward.  I even have on my notes "will only show aggressive if he has it"

Whats the plan for the hand, and why ?
     
      
      

Comments

  • edited June 2013

    Hand 1, why do you want to lead the river, how has the A changed your hand?


    2, slightly bigger on all streets, like ~£2.80 on river, depends on stacks which i cannot see

    3, vs 95% or 10nl regs fold, because they cannot show up with worse here
  • edited June 2013
    1 ) Because I want value from my hand, I can still get that from kx, maybe some pocket pairs.  Also the ace on the river makes him think its less likely I have an ace.

    2) The bet sizing im fine with as I went over hand historys and its something iv given more thought, im fine with it being smaller. opps sorry don't no why its like that.

    3) I folded, but regretted it abit.  he could of slowplayed 1010-KK? 
         Does he do this with a draw? unlikely but sometimes.
        Does he have an 8 in his range and would he raise here? I don't even know

    I really think its pocket 6's
  • edited June 2013
    I'm rarely leading that river. He's bet all the way, indicating he has something good or a solid draw. Seeing as the river completed zero draws, he either has a busted draw (where he will probably bluff at you following a check, but fold to a value bet unless he's got some real balls and bluff reraises you) or he has something solid, Kx type hand and wants to get some final value. The A on turn didn't scare him, so the river A will reassure him- apart from anything else, most players with trips will bet the river, right?
  • edited June 2013
    The check a misclick what was the call then? Fold flop. Out of position floating at 10nl v unknowns after youve give up the lead with a backdoor fd and an A that could be useless. Leading the river is horrific, turns your hand face up. As played c/c river is only move he can still bluff off draws.

    2nd you have to bet max you can squeeze. Yeh he might check the river with a dodgy k10 once in every hundred times but you can get called by tonnes of 2 pairs etc.


    3rd hand. If your notes are accurate its also an easy decision of folding. Dont think theres to many players that c/r fd. 9s/10s here 
  • edited June 2013
    * Draw came in on turn. Your bluff catching. And theres not a chance your getting value from a King. Hes checking back turn with K unless Kh
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