am i only beating a bluff?

mewillows

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rossybee16	Small blind		20.00	20.00	3850.00
	Big blind		40.00	60.00	3980.00
	Your hole cards	A Q
poker69	Call		40.00	100.00	3525.00
GREENIENO_	Fold
mewillows	Raise		145.00	245.00	3855.00
POKEY2011	Fold
rossybee16	Fold
	Call		105.00	350.00	3875.00
poker69	Fold
Flop
		10 2 A
	Bet		40.00	390.00	3835.00
mewillows	Raise		255.00	645.00	3600.00
	Call		215.00	860.00	3620.00
Turn
		9
	Bet		40.00	900.00	3580.00
mewillows	Call		40.00	940.00	3560.00
River
		J
	Check
mewillows	Bet		470.00	1410.00	3090.00
	All-in		3580.00	4990.00	0.00
mewillows	?

mewillows

this was the very first hand i was dealt so no reads or notes on the players as i had late regged.

LARSON7

Funky turn bet call. Funky hand.

I have no idea what is going on as played. Just call

est1967

KQ I suppose but 40.00 on turn!!why only 40.00?Anyone would call 40 into 900 pot.

hhyftrftdr

It's a tough one.

Is he check raising all in on the river with a busted draw?
Is he c/r all in on the river with a 'value' hand that we still beat with top 2?
Is he c/r all in on the river with the nuts or essential nuts?

Probably not.
Possibly.
Yes.

We beat 2 of these. We lose, and thus exit the tournament, to the other. Read/noteless, possibly comes down to if we fancy a gamble or not. Though the 'G' word and with it still being early doors probably implies it should be a fold.







I think I'd still call though

Edit- discard all this.

mewillows

hmmm,

It was a £55 BH so the extreme overbet felt like he wanted it to look bluffy and i didnt know what i was actually beating.

A10,AJ,10J,QK,A9 were all beating me and i dont think they would put there tourney life on the line so soon. Remember i 3 bet them pre, raised their flop lead and bet the river.

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:

hmmm, It was a £55 BH so the extreme overbet felt like he wanted it to look bluffy and i didnt know what i was actually beating. A10,AJ,10J,QK,A9 were all beating me and i dont think they would put there tourney life on the line so soon. Remember i 3 bet them pre, raised their flop lead and bet the river.
Posted by mewillows

For some reason (possibly a shandy too many tonight!) I thought you had top 2. Stupid beer goggles.

Now realising it's just top pair, it's a fold I think. So in answer to your question, yes I believe you are only really beating a bluff.

mewillows

In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:

In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff? : For some reason (possibly a shandy too many tonight!) I thought you had top 2. Stupid beer goggles. Now realising it's just top pair, it's a fold I think. So in answer to your question, yes I believe you are only really beating a bluff.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

wish iwas having a shandy. yes top pair and nut flush draw

LnarinOO

id raise turn to get in stacks on river, jus callin looks far too weak fo rvillan to be able to bluff like this.. havin said that i doubt its a bluff players min bet to get to showdownn cheap or with drawing hands thinkin the'll they'll pay there own price to bink... in this case he most probally has it so defo fold, he neva has Ax so yea only beating a total bluff 

BigHawk89

Check back river imo.

The_Don90

I raise turn as played i think its a puke fml fold. This is a weird low stake line that tilts the **** outta me because they almost always have the nuts. 

Lambert180

Yeah I'd raise the turn too but yeh puke fold river.

rancid

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Check back river imo.
Posted by BigHawk89

if you think your WAWB than you should call down and check back river

mewillows

im in agreement that i should of raised the turn to charge them for drawing hands and/or check back the river. Rancid WAWB?

rancid

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im in agreement that i should of raised the turn to charge them for drawing hands and/or check back the river. Rancid WAWB?
Posted by mewillows

way ahead, way behind

Even though you say charge them for draw, what other hands could oppo have where your just exploiting yourself
Are we so convinced that min bets are weak always after you have raised flop, got called and oppo mins again.

You have to be dam sure oppo doing this with one pr + draws

actually feels like a 2 pr/set or str even though we hold a blocker

fwiw think the min is either weak or monster

jonnyrkd

I would fold as yes I think on river you're only beating a bluff, just a hunch though. KQ or JT being most likely i would guess...

mewillows

In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:

In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff? : way ahead, way behind Even though you say charge them for draw, what other hands could oppo have where your just exploiting yourself Are we so convinced that min bets are weak always after you have raised flop, got called and oppo mins again. You have to be dam sure oppo doing this with one pr + draws actually feels like a 2 pr/set or str even though we hold a blocker fwiw think the min is either weak or monster
Posted by rancid

Its the check back on the river which made me value bet the river (which i instantly hated) as i think my hand was polarised to an Ax or A10 type of hand.  In the end i put them on a straight as small lead out on flop, calling my flop raise and small lead out on turn felt like they were chasing the more i look back at it.

fwiw i folded

unknown_username

Hi m

Not looking at others so apologies if same stuff stated. Your opponent seems to show poor bet sizing throughout. However certainly kq fits the bill.Tbh you should raise his turn bet as you are allowing him pretty much a free card  to catch his draw whether it be straight or flush. Again a poor bet size on river by him but one you can't call in my opinion. Keep an eye on him and look to trap later. 

mewillows

In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:

Hi m Not looking at others so apologies if same stuff stated. Your opponent seems to show poor bet sizing throughout. However certainly kq fits the bill.Tbh you should raise his turn bet as you are allowing him pretty much a free card  to catch his draw whether it be straight or flush. Again a poor bet size on river by him but one you can't call in my opinion. Keep an eye on him and look to trap later.  PS you should really blank out guys name in all fairness when putting in clinic.
Posted by profman15

ty for posting prof, his name is blanked out. check again sir

unknown_username

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In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff? : ty for posting prof, his name is blanked out. check again sir
Posted by mewillows

 Hi m

Wow ur quick m8. I'd just noticed and edited my post submitted and yours was waiting for me. Sorry my mistake initially. Now I've read some others and notice it was a £55 buy- in so I'm favouring a more polarised approach fwiw. Personally still fold that river but now feel his bet sizing more as a tempt with a monster. Still think raise turn though, I feel, in case not. Maybe he will see this and tell us what he had.( doubt it though!)

andybeth

I'd prefer to raise the turn and check back the river. River card is quite a nasty one. We can still get value from raising the turn. He looks like he has some weak showdown/draw hand when he leads 40 on the turn, by just calling, we're giving him a chance o hit that river so cheaply. For instance KQ got there cheaply, j10, AJ. A guy who plays the hand like he did would definately put it all in with AJ on this river, and maybe j10. Obv a weak player.

GREGHOGG

puke fold on the river because that flop was soooooooooooooooo good. try to get it in earlier!

DeucesLive

Pretty much nothing about that hand made sense the way the villain played it, I couldn't put him on any hand at all. As it turned out I guess he pretty much has to have the goods, but the minbets on each street and check/allin river... wtf?

Preflop and flop are fine IMO, the turn is bad because at this stage you have TP with a strong kicker, and the NFD- I'd be looking to make a stack committing bet where I'm reasonably sure I'm ahead. There's no draws that came in on the turn, so unless he setmined and hit, or has some funky 2 pair hand (both of which we have outs against) you're ahead. Get as much of the stacks in as you can.

As for the river, well I think you played it fine. Following the check you're entitled to try for value from a call with a weak A or possibly second pair, you could check behind I guess but I think that's kind of nitty, there could definitely be value in betting. The check raise is just so rarely happening on the river that bet/folding is acceptable IMO.

offshoot

I would raise the turn to 600~ assuming the bets are blocker bets as you dominate most of the range of hands he would do that with.

GELDY

good chance he has hit a set on the flop, and hoping you have an A

min raise to let you put the money in works on flop not turn, so tries the shove on the river.

basically wanting you to think he is bluffing throughout when he actually has it

RyanC7

Raise turn

If flat turn, check river.