20NL - Flushaments after 2 x Pot Bets

Lambert180

Are we just calling the river here OR if we're calling assuming we're ahead more often than not, do we have to ship assuming that after potting the turn and river he's not folding anything for the rest anyway?

I'm not considering folding obv

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
goose27909	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£35.85
Lambert180	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£19.80
	Your hole cards	9 7
N_13	Fold
X	Raise		£0.40	£0.70	£21.19
rocky62	Fold
goose27909	Call		£0.30	£1.00	£35.55
Lambert180	Call		£0.20	£1.20	£19.60
Flop
		5 10 2
goose27909	Check
Lambert180	Check
X	Bet		£1.00	£2.20	£20.19
goose27909	Fold
Lambert180	Call		£1.00	£3.20	£18.60
Turn
		A
Lambert180	Check
X	Bet		£3.20	£6.40	£16.99
Lambert180	Call		£3.20	£9.60	£15.40
River
		2
Lambert180	Check
X	Bet		£9.60	£19.20	£7.39

GREGHOGG

Why are you not considering folding? 

Obv they had K10cc or summit lol

I would never raise all in otr readless.

Lambert180

Cos I got the flush man, they're hard to come by!

I just looked at this hand again and realised (for the first time) that the river pairs, so I'd like a raise even less cos he can easy have 55/TT with this line.

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: 20NL - Flushaments after 2 x Pot Bets:

Cos I got the flush man, they're hard to come by! I just looked at this hand again and realised (for the first time) that the river pairs, so I'd like a raise even less cos he can easy have 55/TT with this line.
Posted by Lambert180

Are you actually serious? That's the first thing I spotted!!!- It is kind of helpful and key to the decision making process. It's all about if he is overvaluing AK-AJ here... 

reads on the villain help... readless i prob just puke flat... don't think I rule out folding tho, maybe Im just a terrible nit. 

DeucesLive

Yeah, I just flat here. But I'd definitely be considering a fold... I mean the guy's shown a lot of enthusiasm, it's not like you're even holding the second nut flush, he's got 4 possible clubs that beat you, not to mention the house outs.

Out of interest, why didn't you look to shut the pot down on the flop? That's a pretty dry flop for a raiser, if he has any combination of high cards that isn't A10 then he's not gonna like his hand much. He's only getting his stack in there with JJ+ or a stronger flush draw, which is a hell of a read based on a minraise pre and a single flop bet. If he reraises you allin, you know you're in pretty bad shape, but by calling you have no idea what he's drawing to, and even if you hit your hand- you could still be crushed by the stronger flush or as it turns out, a FH. 

Raise flop gets my vote, you probably take it down there with no hand 70/80% of the time.

liamboi11

I agree with greg need info on opponent before I can give a proper response, this kind of decision always depends on what type of opponent we are playing.

calcalfold

Fold more often than I call

Go on holiday to Iraq more often than I raise.

Call is probably ok without any reads I guess

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: 20NL - Flushaments after 2 x Pot Bets:

Fold more often than I call Go on holiday to Iraq more often than I raise. Call is probably ok without any reads I guess
Posted by calcalfold

Tá turas deas.

Couldn't find Iraqi on google translate so that was Irish.

pryce6

His line is almost always a flush/house at this level and since you only beat 63c/64c/68c I think a fold is best. 

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: 20NL - Flushaments after 2 x Pot Bets:

Fold more often than I call Go on holiday to Iraq more often than I raise. Call is probably ok without any reads I guess
Posted by calcalfold