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FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.
You said in chatbox that i should of stacked u, i assumed it was this hand? Be appreciated if you could explain how. If u want me to take yr name out i will do so.
ThanksPlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancesighcallSmall blind £0.50£0.50£102.15SmitalosBig blind £1.00£1.50£249.10 Your hole cards53 sighcallRaise £2.50£4.00£99.65SmitalosCall £2.00£6.00£247.10Flop 395 SmitalosCheck sighcallBet £4.50£10.50£95.15SmitalosCall £4.50£15.00£242.60Turn 6 SmitalosCheck sighcallCheck River 3 SmitalosBet £4.00£19.00£238.60sighcallRaise £13.50£32.50£81.65SmitalosCall £9.50£42.00£229.10sighcallShow53 SmitalosMuck3A sighcallWinFull House, 3s and 5s£41.00 £122.65
ThanksPlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancesighcallSmall blind £0.50£0.50£102.15SmitalosBig blind £1.00£1.50£249.10 Your hole cards53 sighcallRaise £2.50£4.00£99.65SmitalosCall £2.00£6.00£247.10Flop 395 SmitalosCheck sighcallBet £4.50£10.50£95.15SmitalosCall £4.50£15.00£242.60Turn 6 SmitalosCheck sighcallCheck River 3 SmitalosBet £4.00£19.00£238.60sighcallRaise £13.50£32.50£81.65SmitalosCall £9.50£42.00£229.10sighcallShow53 SmitalosMuck3A sighcallWinFull House, 3s and 5s£41.00 £122.65
Comments
You can't assume that smitalos is never calling with worse than two pair on the turn, neither should you be fearing that you might be raised (It would be a raise, not a 3-bet). Okay, he might raise you but you ought to have some idea of what that might mean and you can still be called by quite a few worse hands. How often does smitalos actually have a set or better two pair on this board? How easy is it for him to put you on a two-pair hand here? The only reason not to bet is that you think he sees you as a nit who only double barrels when you're massive.
How does raising small on the river make you look weak? The small raise looks like big strength, most of the time, because you're unlikely to be bluffing with that sizing. It just looks like you're desperate for value, which you are.
Seeing stacks, it's tough for you to actually get stacks unless smitalos actually raises at some point... However, it may be possible if you just bet three streets rather than checking back the turn.
+1
You said in chatbox that i should of stacked u, i assumed it was this hand?
true tho
fwiw I love you too buddy
sighcall, you couldn't have stacked me dw. Maybe made a tad more, mayyyyyyyyybe. But on the whole I think you got pretty much the max in this particular spot. For sure bet the turn though.
nh sir
I did try to explain why you can bet the turn for value. It's all a question of your image and how that affects the villain's calling range. When you say that you can't bet the turn and be called by worse, you're effectively saying that your image is:
Raise button pre-flop + c-bet the flop + bet the turn = Massive strength every time.
If that's your image, you're probably playing way too tight. Are you not double-barrelling one-pair hands, draws or even random two overcards?
The fact that you're raising 53o from the button here seems to suggest that you're not that much of a nit, therefore it's entirely possible for smitalos to call the turn with one-pair or two overs with a draw or something along those lines. Why would this bet on the turn necessarily narrow his range to big hands? It shouldn't if you're not too nitty, or at least if he doesn't think you are.
becaue u check and then raise river - gives smit an easy call
u minimise your ev
smit should be thanking you for saving him money, not having a go at u
Smit u numpty )
to be fair smit may have just been given you some free advice )
But your ego has taken it badly
If you feel you can only get 2 streets of value from the hand then flop + turn is tons better than flop + river imo because we get value from loads of draws on the turn... by the river they've either already gone ahead (for free) or they've missed and won't pay us any more money. Pretty clear turn bet imo.
As BL says, it does depend on your image but if you're playing HU cash and never ever doubling barrelling without having a very strong hand then that's probably not great strat.