Give me a break!!!!!!

davelufc

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
daveyput	Small blind		500.00	500.00	20700.00
xxxx	Big blind		1000.00	1500.00	26752.50
	Your hole cards	Q Q
davelufc	All-in		12820.00	14320.00	0.00
bugsytwo	Fold
farmerja30	Fold
donnabelucky	Fold
daveyput	Fold
xxxx	Call		11820.00	26140.00	14932.50
	Show	9 10
davelufc	Show	Q Q
Flop
		A 3 4
Turn
		5
River
		2
xxxx	Win	Straight to the 5	13070.00		28002.50
davelufc	Win	Straight to the 5	13070.00		13070.00

 

craigcu12

look on the Bright side you were able to get a split pot.
the headlike makes it sound like a bad beat.

davelufc

In Response to Re: Give me a break!!!!!!:

look on the Bright side you were able to get a split pot. the headlike makes it sound like a bad beat.
Posted by craigcu12

Why should i be pleased with a split pot when i was dominating until the river??????

Felt like a bad beat lolz!!

calcalfold

Why open shove?

Dont you know how to continue on an ace or king flop?

Lambert180

Cos he has 12xBB. It's a pretty standard shove spot. Would you minraise 66 here? No you just ship your 12xBB, so you gotta do it with QQ too.

Ul dave

calcalfold

Yea, shove 66 is fine. But QQ has most hands dominated, so you gont "gotta do it" im all for a good raise then getting it in, barring an AKx flop

Lambert180

So what you're saying is 'its easy to put me on a range, cos if I have a hand I quite like but don't love like 66 or AQ, I'll shove, but if I have a monster like QQ+ I'll just minraise'?

ALANSK100

In Response to Re: Give me a break!!!!!!:

So what you're saying is 'its easy to put me on a range, cos if I have a hand I quite like but don't love like 66 or AQ, I'll shove, but if I have a monster like QQ+ I'll just minraise'?
Posted by Lambert180

dont matter what i do with q q it still goes down the other way lol

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: Give me a break!!!!!!:

So what you're saying is 'its easy to put me on a range, cos if I have a hand I quite like but don't love like 66 or AQ, I'll shove, but if I have a monster like QQ+ I'll just minraise'?
Posted by Lambert180

Basically this. Gotta keep that range as balanced as possible. Raising utg out of a />13bb stack should look pretty suspicious too and gives people the chance to fold hands they might otherwise go to war with.

mewillows

In Response to Re: Give me a break!!!!!!:

So what you're saying is 'its easy to put me on a range, cos if I have a hand I quite like but don't love like 66 or AQ, I'll shove, but if I have a monster like QQ+ I'll just minraise'?
Posted by Lambert180

to throw a spanner in the works. could you min raise/fold marginal hands to look like monsters?

Lambert180

Tbh, I don't mind minraise/folding from 13xBB against some opponents on Sky but I wouldn't be doing it UTG.

calcalfold

Lambert, I understand what you are saying, and against a top quality field your quite right.

But generally I was saying, put in a smaller raise and get more value from marginals that hit a lower top pair, sure you will get stacked some of the time. but its just what I would rather do.

I mean, none of the hands that you are beating will fold, but many worse hands will call.

I doubt that many are paying attention, and the ones that do, well, you will generally know their names.

craigcu12

In Response to Re: Give me a break!!!!!!:

In Response to Re: Give me a break!!!!!! : Basically this. Gotta keep that range as balanced as possible. Raising utg out of a />13bb stack should look pretty suspicious too and gives people the chance to fold hands they might otherwise go to war with.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

to add even more reason for the shove right away.
how are the rest of them chips going to get doubled if the flop was suited paired well connected or had K or A.

GELDY

Trade off  is

how much more action will you get with min raising

vs how many potential stackers will you let off the hook

don't think either route is inherently bad

but table reads would help a lot in deciding optimality

as for OP

sympathies

it is tedious to save the bad beat just to have the pot halved on the river

davelufc

Same tourney, 12 mins later. Quite pleased this time after flop lolz!!!

King of the splits!!!

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
PORKO	Small blind		800.00	800.00	56402.50
davelufc	Big blind		1600.00	2400.00	7570.00
	Your hole cards	K J
xxxx	Raise		3200.00	5600.00	48700.00
bananas65	Fold
donnabelucky	Fold
PORKO	Fold
davelufc	All-in		7570.00	13170.00	0.00
xxxx	Call		5970.00	19140.00	42730.00
davelufc	Show	K J
xxxx	Show	5 7
Flop
		5 8 4
Turn
		6
River
		7
davelufc	Win	Straight to the 8	9570.00		9570.00
xxxx	Win	Straight to the 8	9570.00		52300.00

Batkin88

In Response to Re: Give me a break!!!!!!:

Why open shove? Dont you know how to continue on an ace or king flop?
Posted by calcalfold

Your plan is to just fold them?? Is this a joke?