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Flop Shove, What would you do here?
In Response to Flop Shove OTT?:
I just wanted to put maximum pressure on, how would you play this on the flop? I'm quite happy putting the pressure right on with my stack FEARLESWON Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £3.62 vlad1mr Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £2.56 Your hole cards A 6 No_Jacks Fold mordaw18 Raise £0.16 £0.22 £4.19 YENBALL Call £0.16 £0.38 £3.57 LARSON7 Call £0.16 £0.54 £13.58 FEARLESWON Fold vlad1mr Fold Flop 7 8 10 mordaw18 Bet £0.40 £0.94 £3.79 YENBALL Call £0.40 £1.34 £3.17 LARSON7 All-in £13.58crazy
Posted by LARSON7
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Big has quite a strong hand here on the flop. I'm definatly getting looked up in one spot here. No idea what Bob is playing with, they are a bit random and can have any too. Big is quite a tight regular ABC Player.
I'll show the result later on, Funky hand!
lol nice1 jessepeo
This is what happened, like something outa casino royale
The nuts x 3 each street lol
Amazing
If we're sure that a shove is getting called here, then why do we want to make the shove? We're not much of a favourite against any big made hand and we're a substantial dog if our Ace is no good.
It's a great spot to shove if we can get folds some of the time and if we might ever get it in as a favourite. Your reads suggest that's not the case, so we're hoping to be flipping at best. Obviously the third player involved may adjust our pot odds but, if Bob folds to our shove, we're getting odds of about 45% against Big's stack...
If we know that we're always going to be called by a better made hand, then shoving is effectively calling all-in and our equity is likely to be less than we need to be if your reads are correct.
What makes you so sure that Big is definitely holding a made hand and is definitely calling, though? You might be right but if there's any chance you're wrong then shoving becomes a lot better. If you can't get folds, then call the flop bet to see a turn. Maybe you can take it down on the turn without hitting or you can get away if it's a bad card for you, with the board pairing, and one of the villain's bets.
It is a fairly big shove, I suppose, but are your really going to raise here to £1.50 when they're playing stacks of £4? I think shoving is better than raising less.
A good scenario for us would be if they were as weak as 8T and they're still a decent favourite with that. Even if they're as weak as AT they're still a favourite.
We're just getting it in bad here all the time. Even if you get folds, you've probably wasted the value of getting such a lovely flop. If the turn is a club, doesn't mean everyone is just gonna snap fold.
if you raise less, then you have to make it enough so when oppo shoves u have to call re: pot odds
shoving is not great
If he has JJ, he's a favourite.
Board: 7c 8c Th
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.167% 43.94% 00.23% 2610 13.50 { Ac6c }
Hand 1: 55.833% 55.61% 00.23% 3303 13.50 { JJ }