Flop top 2 pair, do i call the shove??

davelufc

No one really been getting out of line, what am i up against here??

I think my pot flop bet was a bit strong but meh.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
WeeSteeky	Small blind		20.00	20.00	2850.00
dobo81	Big blind		40.00	60.00	2960.00
	Your hole cards	J Q
wi03	Fold
paleface	Call		40.00	100.00	3580.00
crzyrach	Fold
davelufc	Raise		120.00	220.00	2740.00
WeeSteeky	Fold
dobo81	Call		80.00	300.00	2880.00
paleface	Call		80.00	380.00	3500.00
Flop
		Q J 9
dobo81	Check
paleface	Check
davelufc	Bet		380.00	760.00	2360.00
dobo81	All-in		2880.00	3640.00	0.00
paleface	Fold
davelufc    ?

gazza127

easy call IMO

hhyftrftdr

Call. Expect to see hearts/pair and straight draw more often than not. K10 is possible, but so is J9 and Q9 plus Q10 and J10. We have outs if we are behind.

Heck, its Sky, he might even have Q4.

unknown_username

Loads of drawing hands doing this. Its a call I think but I think its more of a sigh call than a fist pumping call.

davelufc

Thanks all, outcome below. I thought it was a strange line for oppo to shove with the nuts.

Had him on a draw. Not sure i`d have shoved with 2nd pair TK but w/e.
 

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
WeeSteeky	Small blind		20.00	20.00	2850.00
dobo81	Big blind		40.00	60.00	2960.00
	Your hole cards	J Q
wi03	Fold
paleface	Call		40.00	100.00	3580.00
crzyrach	Fold
davelufc	Raise		120.00	220.00	2740.00
WeeSteeky	Fold
dobo81	Call		80.00	300.00	2880.00
paleface	Call		80.00	380.00	3500.00
Flop
		Q J 9
dobo81	Check
paleface	Check
davelufc	Bet		380.00	760.00	2360.00
dobo81	All-in		2880.00	3640.00	0.00
paleface	Fold
davelufc	All-in		2360.00	6000.00	0.00
dobo81	Unmatched bet		140.00	5860.00	140.00
dobo81	Show	A J
davelufc	Show	J Q
Turn
		2
River
		Q
davelufc	Win	Full House, Queens and Jacks	5860.00		5860.00

DeucesLive

I never ever fold this against anyone unless they're so tight they never put their chips in here without the made straight. But you have to be 100% convinced that's the case, and that's not happening often. He has J10, Q10, KQ, AQ, J9, Q9 SO many times here it's not funny. K10 and 810 make up a part of his range for sure, but even then you're not drawing dead by any means.

Unless he happens to have the two remaining queens or jacks, you're never in particularly bad shape. And the way the action's gone, it's super unlikely. I'd generally be putting him on KQ/Q10 in this spot.

AJ is even looser, but hey- easy money for you!

unknown_username

Hi Dave

Why do players limp in these positions? Its a horrible flop tbh with best correct bet by opponent being a hand like AJh which givesthe correct number of outs for him but why limp with such a hand? Has he KTo/KTs even but why push you away?
TBH i read one good tip a while back which said don't consider a player to be solid unless he gives you good reason to. He probably has a pair or the flush draw and is trying to push you off. Top two pair is very strong and is probably ahead still. I'd say call.

unknown_username

Hi Dave


Sorry, didnt see that you'd put hand result down. No offence dobo but its not really the correct flop to ai after a pot bet by opponent imo. You would be better raising pre too.(dobo)

F_Ivanovic

Potting flops can make opponents do strange things. He probably just assumed you were weak/on a draw and because of the bad texture he didn't want to just flat with his AJ, hence the shove.