did i think this out the right way

craigcu12

hands like QQ are not what we expect to fold preflop but when I saw what had happened here I was thinking surely KK or AA was in the spot light
the first raise I thought could be anything but when the next raise happens I start thinking the weakest of hands would be AKs or 1010+ so when the next guy shoves I am thinking surely QQ KK or AA is the only hands left and their is still the two who raised before that jam who need to decide what they will do.

BADBILL	Small blind		15.00	15.00	1955.00
craigcu12	Big blind		30.00	45.00	3725.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
SEBASTLAD	Raise		60.00	105.00	1735.00
goldnballz	Raise		180.00	285.00	3137.50
THEHOFF07	Call		180.00	465.00	2982.50
BADBILL	All-in		1955.00	2420.00	0.00
craigcu12	Fold

DOHHHHHHH

Yep, good thought process & good fold for the right reasons

LARSON7

If it's a BH, espec a 2pound or 5pound 1 just go for it, he can have a lot more than just KK or Aces

DeucesLive

Important to tell us what the tourney is, that has a huge bearing on whether it's a good fold.

If it's a DYM or even STT, easy fold. Donkathon bounty hunter, you can reliably widen people's ranges massively.

craigcu12

this tournament itself was the mini BH so as well as the poor players I could see it also having some decent ones too.
maybe I should have looked at his sharkscope because that would have changed everything and a call would certainly still have been made.

NColley

ya gl searching someone on sharkscope before you time out 

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: did i think this out the right way:

Yep, good thought process & good fold for the right reasons
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

+1

The cold 4-bet shove from the small blind really should mean great strength. In a vacuum I think a fold is best. As others have said, it does depend a lot on how the villains have been playing but, generally speaking, the fold is fine.

calcalfold

Not folding here

Having checked sharkscope, very much never folding

Batkin88

Your thought process is correct so it is a fold, even in a bounty hunter I wouldn't want to go in with QQ here with 2/3 possible callers behind.

I don't think relying on sharkscopes stats will help you here. Although there are arguments either way the right thing is you had a thought process and you went with it, if you snap called and then thought about it you would regret the call.

F_Ivanovic

Never folding QQ here if it is indeed a BH. The first raise, whilst UTG was only a min-r. This means that goldenballz raising range is not going to be quite as tight as it might if it was a standard UTG raise. Someone calls behind, and the SB shoves. To me, this shove does not suggest KK or AA. If he had them hands he would probably be making a smaller re-raise size. He's probably seen the dead money in the pot and with a reasonably strong hand and a less than starting stack has tried to pick up all the dead money with a shove.

His range could be KQ, AJ+ and 99+. With QQ we have more than enough equity to call.

Lambert180

Yeah I'm not folding here in an £11 or smaller BH.

craigcu12

I can't see him attempting a shove with KQ or AJ maybe AK but TBH with it being so early it didn't feel worth enough to call this if it was AA or KK I would be asking myself what got me to call it in the first place and if it were AK it might have got me a bit tilt.

craigcu12

it turned out that I would have been ahead but he hit the set and AK would have hit too
so it was a good fold after all.

BADBILL	Small blind		15.00	15.00	1955.00
craigcu12	Big blind		30.00	45.00	3725.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
SEBASTLAD	Raise		60.00	105.00	1735.00
goldnballz	Raise		180.00	285.00	3137.50
THEHOFF07	Call		180.00	465.00	2982.50
BADBILL	All-in		1955.00	2420.00	0.00
craigcu12	Fold
SEBASTLAD	All-in		1735.00	4155.00	0.00
goldnballz	Fold
THEHOFF07	Fold
BADBILL	Unmatched bet		175.00	3980.00	175.00
BADBILL	Show	10 10
SEBASTLAD	Show	A 8
Flop
		6 K 2
Turn
		10
River
		3
BADBILL	Win	Three 10s	3980.00		4155.00

Lambert180

Not being results orientated but this imo is why we shouldn't fold, cos he will do this with TT, JJ, maybe 99, also AK and AQ and SEBASTLAD... well... there's not much to say about his play lol.

splashies

In Response to Re: did i think this out the right way:

it turned out that I would have been ahead but he hit the set and AK would have hit too so it was a good fold after all. BADBILL Small blind   15.00 15.00 1955.00 craigcu12 Big blind   30.00 45.00 3725.00   Your hole cards Q Q       SEBASTLAD Raise   60.00 105.00 1735.00 goldnballz Raise   180.00 285.00 3137.50 THEHOFF07 Call   180.00 465.00 2982.50 BADBILL All-in   1955.00 2420.00 0.00 craigcu12 Fold         SEBASTLAD All-in   1735.00 4155.00 0.00 goldnballz Fold         THEHOFF07 Fold         BADBILL Unmatched bet   175.00 3980.00 175.00 BADBILL Show 10 10       SEBASTLAD Show A 8       Flop     6 K 2       Turn     10       River     3       BADBILL Win Three 10s 3980.00   4155.00
Posted by craigcu12

Really? Where's the logic in that?

Lambert180

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In Response to Re: did i think this out the right way : Really? Where's the logic in that?
Posted by splashies

Didn't you see? The TT made a set lol, so we would have lost

F_Ivanovic

In Response to Re: did i think this out the right way:

Not being results orientated but this imo is why we shouldn't fold, cos he will do this with TT, JJ, maybe 99, also AK and AQ and SEBASTLAD... well... there's not much to say about his play lol.
Posted by Lambert180

Exactly... and against this range we have 57%. If we take out AQo and 99 we still have 52%. I do think we can discount KK and AA somewhat aswell, making our equity even higher. Getting it in as a 55% eq fave in a tournament is a great spot to be in.

Jac35

In Response to Re: did i think this out the right way:

In Response to Re: did i think this out the right way : Exactly... and against this range we have 57%. If we take out AQo and 99 we still have 52%. I do think we can discount KK and AA somewhat aswell, making our equity even higher. Getting it in as a 55% eq fave in a tournament is a great spot to be in.
Posted by F_Ivanovic

Got to disagree with that.

Getting it in with 55% at this stage of a tournament is hardly a good spot if you think you may have an edge.