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FAO Smitalos
"What about those that don,t enjoy my posts" copied from "Sick to my stomach thread"
lol - Get away "ppl don,t enjoy your posts? "
My one obsvertaion or critisiscm of your posts would be that you seem to be hell bent on having the last word everytime and sometimes come accross as antaganistic and probably arrogant to any new members reading your posts for the first time.
There seems to be a lot of ppl kissing your virtuall behind on here. . I,m guessing they know you won,t let anything lie and will come back and try to fire them down with your next post
I know you put a lot of effort, time and even research into your posting but they,re getting a bit long , a bit predictable and a bit boring now.
Of course its just my humble opinion and i,m just critisizing your posts in general over the last few weeks - not you as a person as i don,t even know you and wouldn,t judge anyone i didn,t know.
I,d just like to say - chill out - relax sometimes. Its just a friendly community forum. You do make some really good posts and points but just need to let things go once in a while
I,m sure you,ll correct any spelling mistakes for me and shoot me down in flames but thats fine. Its your right, but try and keep it short pls
GL at the tables
Paul
EDIT ( I feel a bid bad now but someone had to say it )
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[ * ] Nail on head
2) That's usually just because I've got a lot to say on a topic. Personally, I hate the idea of ending any discussion (no matter who it is, friend or foe) with silence.
So why do I insist on replying so often to people? Because if there's anything "Poker Chat" could desperately do with, it's more Poker, and more Chat. I love discussion, educating people, and the chance of learning something new myself. If you don't like that, that's cool, s'not your cup of tea. But no need to bash others for enjoying it then, no?
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Can you please point out to me where I've been arrogant in a recent (or heck, even old) thread, if that's okay?
A little brash, brutally blunt though? Yeah, I can see that.
3) I fail to see how that's my fault, or why I should take responsibility for people sucking up to me.
Also, it is really that hard for even just a few people to like me, and have a natural disposition to be friendly to someone until proven otherwise? Bare in mind (as you've said yourself) a LOT of people dislike me on this forum, which is fair game, of course. But to shrug off the minority that do as arsekissers, means you're gunna need more evidence. Heck, maybe they are, and even so, I don't care too much for it.
4) Coolio. I mean, it won't stop me from continuing to do what I do, but... good for you I guess? :P
I love GaryQQQ's tourney thread, and thoroughly admire the work he and his crew do. However, I find it a little boring if I'm being brutally honest.
Does that detract from what an awesome job he's doing? No.
Does that mean I don't condone his candor and work ethic in that thread? Absolutely not.
Should he even think twice about stopping what he's doing (and what he probably enjoys doing too), because one, single, ultimately insignificant proportion of the community, finds his thread boring? Hell no.
5) Again, that's an entirely subjective view on how the forum should be run, with no (just yet anyway) justified reason for me to stop what I'm doing. I do relax, with some LiltZero on the rocks and some old HSP episodes, while listening to House + Electro. Just because you (or some others) come to the forum to relax, (or w/e) doesn't mean everyone else should have to as well. ik you probably already know that, just gotta be said.
Do you not think it's a little patronising though, to tell someone to 'let things go', or 'chill out', on something such as debating topics in a forum? When we've had some pretty contraversial topics brought up recently?
A weatherman broadcasts the weather,
A comedian specialises in comedy.
A teacher, educates.
I'd love to consider myself (although some may completely disagree) as an educator, a free thinker, and a challenger to the norm & status quo (with the aim of making life a little more pleasant for everyone).
Please, as suggested before, give examples of a topic (or some stage in a particular thread) where I've taken things 'too far'.
6) I very rarely correct people on grammar, unless it's a pretty severe case, dw. Nor do I feel that I've shot you down in flames, but to continue a well-meaning and engaging discussion and the "problems" at hand.
fwiw though, the last bit is incredibly presumptuous, if nothing else a little self-righteous too. But s'all good, I take no offence.
Boom
Insanely pretentious and egotistical to come out with something like that too, I knowwwwwwwwww
But when someone calls you all the names under the sun, and in that case, a sexist... oompf
A brotha's gotta stand up fo' himself. Yanno what i'm sayin', homie? a'iiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
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Meh, seriously though.
Forum is a far better place when Carlos is contributing.
No1 is ever gonna be loved by everyone, you got a 200nl+ reg contributing great stuff to the forum (TOTP contestant last month), just let him go.........
The place needs characters, I seem to enjoy posts from people like Idonkcallu, smitalos, calcalfold, skeg more than any others because they're all abit different and make threads more interesting.
Smit is different to the above because he's a sick poker player also, (no offence lads).
I'm not gonna get into the 'everyone is entitled to their opinion' thing, tbh the most common & boring cliche' line I read on forums.
Maybe he is abit of a d!ck at times? I've definitely thought that in the past. But he is who he is, he's definitely not gonna be liked by everyone because he goes against the grain & doesn't hold back with his views.
However, I do think he should get banned if he doesn't post at least 25% of his posts in the poker clinic and/or add me on Skype and teach me how to play
/suckkkup
forum needs interesting people.
Should have known you,d disect every sentence or paraghraph but fairplay as it was aimed at you. Were you head of the debating society at school or something?
We could sit here nitpicking all day but your not stupid - you get the jist
Just a cpl of quick pts i,d like to clear up - I didn,t say " you,ve been arrogant" and don,t want to start sifting through old threads to find examples.
I said "sometimes come accross as antaganistic and probably arrogant to any new members reading your posts for the first time.
Teddybloat posted an example above and like you said :
I'm such a d0uche.
Insanely pretentious and egotistical to come out with something like that too, I knowwwwwwwwww
See - your not such a d0uche if you realise it
Its good to see you realise i,m not having a go at you as a person unlike others on this thread and have taken my comments and critiszms in the right way.
Theres so many online "arguments" or whatever you want to call them nowadays (especially on youtube" and twitter) - it just bores me senseless and when i come on here and i see it - at least i can have my say on here , knowing that i,ll get a sensible response back (well 99% of the time) and not just cowardly name calling
Thats why i can,t understand things like the MENSA and A level comments. If someones just calling you all the names under the sun it normally means they,ve run out of valid arguments and imo are just not worth a response - it doesn,t look good and normally just escalates things until thread is closed. Whats that saying? "water off a ducks back" "takes a bigger man to walk away etc etc"
I was going to post this under one of your comments in another thread somewhere but don,t like de-railing threads, so after i,d written it i decided to post in its own thread.
It looks a little harsher on its own thread but glad your not offended as it wasn,t meant to.
(me - a bit presumtious and self-righteous? )
Ok - you didn,t say that but i can see why you would suggest that from last paragragh, where i said to try keep your response short. Cmon - that was toungue and cheek. I,ve seen enough of your posts to know what to expect when writing my op.
Anyway its getting late - Like i,ve said - you get the jist of what i said - If i came accross a bit offensive or cocky then i am sorry and apologise for that.
Thx for the response. You,ve already gone up imo by calling yourself a d0uche
Seriously tho - no hard feelings and as for the name calling - don,t take things to heart - Its just typed words on a page which most ppl regret writing afterwards anyway
Take it easy
Paul
Ps _ I,ll let you have the last word on the subject - if you like
( warning tho -i,ve got a GCE in Maths
"Can you please point out to me where I've been arrogant in a recent (or heck, even old) thread, if that's okay?
A little brash, brutally blunt though? Yeah, I can see that."
... was for you (or others) to give me examples of where they think I might've have been, or might be seen by others to be arrogant. That's all. Honestly, it depends how you define "douchey", really. In my own experience, it's usually just meant as something being a little OTT, and silly. You go on to elaborate on this point later though, so I'll save the meaty stuff for that.
Well, you'll (almost) never hear name-calling or insults thrown from this side, and I'll always do what I can to give you a sensible, mature response to any post directed at me or my ideas. See: This thread! Haha
As for online arguments, I'm afraid it's kinda hard to escape, and it probably won't get much easier. This is the internet ofc, where free speech and ideas from all over the world combine to form a lot of debates and arguments. Some civil, and surrounding more serious issues. Some, not so. I know you know all of this anyway, so what am I trying to do here, belittle you like a parent telling a little kid not to stay up past his bedtime?! Of course not.
Just that, this being a public forum, there will be arguments. And, I don't really lend myself well to being quiet just for a peaceful life, and convienience. If sh it's hitting the fan, I'll be there, basically. :P The person I was debating with was making some very serious, very real alligations. Long story short, throughout the entire thread she'd been throwing a lot of personal attacks in my direction, while seriously adressing none of the points I'd made on topic. Enough was enough, and instead of throwing insults back, it was meant as a semi-civil warning through gritted teeth. That, if she truly meant what she's said (i.e. that I'm sexist), that I wasn't going to hold back from putting her in her place. And honestly? I thought that 1-liner would save me a lot of time. I was tired, and I have better things to do than debate people who arn't open-minded, and just want to retaliate by insulting their opposition all day.
If it was meant as an egotistical brag, do you really think I'd post it 10-pages into a thread that only a couple of people were coming back to revisit?
Put it this way. If you wanted to challenge me to a kickboxing match, and you were trash talking me for ages, about how you would annihilate me. How i'm a chicken, and a fool, and a wimp, and blah blah blah...
And then I finally speak up, and say:
"MP33, I'm a Black-Belt in Taekwondo, and represented my county back in 6th form, in MMA.
Are you sure you want to fight me?"
Do you see that as egotistical, really? Or am I giving you a fair warning of what you're up against, because you probably didn't know that already? Am I giving you a chance to say to yourself, ya know what, 'Gg, dw about it'.
Surely, the most egotistical opition, would have been to continue the discussion, and clean up with my "debating skills". I'd take satisfaction out of showcasing my incredible intellilect, proving myself by crushing my opponent in a debate, no? (I don't think I'm all that btw! Just making a point!)
I didn't want that, and prefered (and almost always do), a civil, mutually agreed, peaceful resolution. Even if we still don't agree with each others points.
It's absolutely fine matey. I welcome criticism. The impression you're giving off, is that you think, "Acting a little douchey", or "Posting something presumptuous and self-righteous", means that you're a 'bit of a d0uche', or that you have a 'presumptuous or self-righteous' personality.
The end of your post was a case of the latter. It has an air of "Well, I'm just stating the facts about this person, and if no-one else is going to speak up about it, I will". When, it's really just your opinion that other people may or may not share.
There's a big difference between acting a bit of a d1ck on occasion, and BEING a d1ck.
My posts can at times, lack respect, be a little blunt and direct, and use words/phrases that alienate the readers, making me come across as pretentious and snobby.
Do I think those characteristics make me a bad person? Heck, do I think those characteristics are intrinsically "Bad", by definition? Hell no. I'd say, I'm a pretty alright kinda guy. Great even. Maybe, I dunno. :P That's for other people to decide.
If I took things to heart, I'd be a pretty shocking debater. On serious matters, I take things seriously. On relaxed threads, I can kick it back just as much as anyone, brooooo!
P.s. Hard not to reply when there was so much content to reply to, sir! Why is being the most recent/last poster in a thread, tabboo all of a sudden? If you have something extra to say, freakin' say it! Don't hold yourself back just because it's this whole "ooooo last word" mumbo-jumbo. Who cares, we're adults ffs. I'd like to think we're more mature, and more intelligent, than to nit-pick at someone just because they want to continue and add to the discussion. Or, because they've got more left to say on the topic. So yeah, reply if you want to, that's cool. If not, that's cool too. Idm sir!
Religious, Spiritual, Mesoginistic, Xenophobic, Meat-eating, Pro-Life (RE: abortion), Pro-Animals in entertainment, Anti-Marijuana Legalisation, Patriotic, Army serving members... will probably say my views are the most extreme they've ever met in their entire life.
I just try to make the most moral choices I can, nowt more.
Basically, the trick comes in making the reader believe that they paid £30 for the meal, which they didn't. And then excluding the tip from the amount they've paid, to make up the missing £1 (when it would be, missing £3). They only paid £27 total, of which, £2 went to the waiter. (£30-£5)/3 = £8.33. They've each paid £8.33 for the meal itself. Keeping three of the five £1 coins, they give the other two to the waiter, making it £25+£2 = £27. (which makes sense, as they each kept a quid.)
I sucked at explaining stuff in Math. Showing my working was my nut worst enemy, BLUH. Great Q tho.
I'd love to know at some point though what you consider the difference to be between Debating and Nit-Picking.
Nitpicking - Minute, trivial, unnecessary, and unjustified criticism or faultfinding.
Again, (if this is what you mean by nitpicking), then I'd love to see some examples of where ya reckon I've acted that way. I just don't like to leave anything to guesswork or subjective interpretation, whether I'm telling people they're right, or wrong. And seeing as I only speak up about the (imo) more important stuff (with reems of reasons and points, as I'm sure you're already aware of :P), unjustified criticism or faultfinding would seem a little unfair too. At least from over here anyway, even though I'm always trying to question myself, my actions, and beliefs.
Didn't think I was worth it? Haha, okay, I'm not even gunna begin to break that one down, but sure man. Speak up, make yourself heard, and if I'm wrong, show me! Nothing I love more than to correct myself if I'm making mistakes, no matter what it is.
Happy chillaxing to yourself too sir,
Smitalos
Speaking of brainteasers, keep an eye out tomorrow in the forum sir!
Religious, Spiritual, Mesoginistic, Xenophobic, Meat-eating, Pro-Life (RE: abortion), Pro-Animals in entertainment, Anti-Marijuana Legalisation, Patriotic, Army serving members... will probably say my views are the most extreme they've ever met in their entire life. As you often ask others “Can you please back this up with facts or evidence as i,m intrigued by this comment?
If sh it's hitting the fan, I'll be there, basically. What if it’s a topic that doesn,t concern you or something you know little about? Will you still be there?
I wasn't going to hold back from putting her in her place. – Doesn,t sound like a very good debater to me and where is “her place” ?
I'd take satisfaction out of showcasing my incredible intellilect, proving myself by crushing my opponent in a debate, no? (I don't think I'm all that btw! Just making a point!) – A debate is not a competition or a game of poker and why do you feel the need to prove yourself?
I'd say, I'm a pretty alright kinda guy. Great even. Maybe, I dunno. :P That's for other people to decide. – Pls define great in your own words - not from a dictionary definition copied from google and isn,t that a bit contradictory to the above statement?
A little brash, brutally blunt though? Yeah, I can see that. – Heres a little google definition for you : Brash - Self-assertive in a rude, noisy, or overbearing way. Can we agree on that one?
My posts can at times, lack respect, be a little blunt and direct, and use words/phrases that alienate the readers, I agree but why make assumptions about the forum members on whether they understand your words or phrases or not?
I'd love to consider myself (although some may completely disagree) as an educator, a free thinker, and a challenger to the norm & status quo (with the aim of making life a little more pleasant for everyone). Do you believe the last bit is working from the comments you,ve received?
I didn't want that, and prefered (and almost always do), a civil, mutually agreed, peaceful resolution. Even if we still don't agree with each others points. – I offered you one, as well as an aplogy in my 2nd post but am still waiting for an answer?
Paul
We all have opinions and if we want to air those on a public forum, then we have a right to do so and if we have an opinion on a topic which has been posted by someone else on a public forum, then we also have a right to post on that too, as long as we are not insulting, trolling or flaming said poster.
Lets face it....forums would be a very boring place if it were not for the opinion of others and everyone has a right to express there own views & opinions.
If we post on a public forum, then we also have to accept that the fact that others have the right to comment on our posts too and it matters NOT if the topic doesn't concern them or if they know little or nothing about it.
If we do not wish others to post or comment on a particular topic, then we should be asking ourseves why we are posting it on a public forum in the first place?.
If we don't like a particular topic or the way someone else has posted it or expressed their personal opinion, does that make it wrong?......I think not, but we do have the option to express our opinion or ignor it or refrain from posting on it, whichever we may choose, but this does not give us the right to tell people what they can and cannot post on a public forum, this is only defined by the forum rules and the moderators.
We all have our own unique way of posting, some may seem boring, some may seem very extrovert or outlandish, but all unique in there own way. Smitty as an example has a very unique style and anyone who has followed his blogs & vlogs will tell you this - some get it - some don't, but does that make it wrong?.....personally, I don't think there is a right or wrong way to express an opinion but thats just my opinion.
He had a heart of gold! but at times became over emotional
He is still banned from the forum.
Maybe in the light of this thread Sky might consider Amnesty for Spornybol!!!
In Response to MP33 Dude, come on, take a guess. For what reasons do you think people of the above description might not be... that partial to me, and say that I have extreme views?
I believe the opposite of those things.
I have strong Atheistic, Rationalistic+Secular, Pro-Gender Quality, Norm-challenging, Vegetarian, Pro-Choice (Abortion), Animal Rights Acitivst, Pro-Marijuana Legalisation, Unpatriotic, Anti-Military views.
I'll try to be there for all the important stuff basically. As much as I enjoy chippin' in to help out, I have a life to live too ya know!
I've already explained this is detail. I tried multiple times to have an intelliable discussion with her, all of which got replies resembling a playground slanging match more than... what I was looking for. At that point, I'd given up on the hopes of a solid debate, and just wanted to kill the discussion AQAP w/o being rude, or insulting them. Okay, this is getting a little tedious now man. You've quote-mined me here, so I'll paste the full thing, and expand.
The following quote is regarding my reaction at the end of the the thread with Batkin, and whether my final posts should be viewed as egotistical.
"Surely, the most egotistical opition, would have been to continue the discussion, and clean up with my "debating skills". I'd take satisfaction out of showcasing my incredible intellect, proving myself by crushing my opponent in a debate, no? (I don't think I'm all that btw! Just making a point!)"
As this full quote shows, IF I was an egotistical as has been made out itt, why would I end the discussion short of kicking some forum a ss? Why would I pass up on an opportunity to show, crush her points into dust, and really get some verbal vengance on the other person by proving once and for all who's right?
The contrary is true. I don't feel a need to prove myself, and hence, I cut the discussion there. Not only did I pose questions to you in this quote abut what my attitude would have been if X Y Z as an example...
I quite clearly said I don't actually have those views of the above statement anyway!
As far as individuals go, I think i'm pretty awesome. I think I've got a great set of morals, and I care deeply for others. I make loads of mistakes still, sure. But I always try to ensure that any, usually just affect me, and often the fault of a 'brainfart' moment where I just derp the fcuk out. I'm not gunna go on a mass tirade with a mass of reasons. It'd just add more fuel to the fire that I'm an arrogant PoS, for those that want to believe that.
Because I've been told first hand that sometimes I do (alienate the readers). Because a decent chunk of what I've said, get's misinterpretted due to too many... complex words and shtuffffffff. And generally speaking, people can get defensive pretty easily in a war of a words against someone who they feel, is not necessarily more knowledgable, but has a wide-vocab, or solid intellect. Maybe my posts are a little formal? But I'd like to think that what I give up in simplicity, I make up for in accuracy. That's another assumption, that I'm primarily trying to reach out/convince those that I'm directly conversing with. I'm not doing it for them, the close-minded and the easily offended. I'm doing it for the few who stumble across it, and either want to read something they find entertaining, or those that might be sitting on the fence about a subject. In all honesty, from ALL the comments I've recieved, it's working pretty well.
I gave you one!
"Didn't think I was worth it? Haha, okay, I'm not even gunna begin to break that one down, but sure man. Speak up, make yourself heard, and if I'm wrong, show me! Nothing I love more than to correct myself if I'm making mistakes, no matter what it is.
Happy chillaxing to yourself too sir,
Smitalos"
I'm getting closer and closer to believing you're levelling itt. Of course I'll try to reply to any comments on the above post AQAP, but note that I've had to repeat myself multiple times now, and it's exhausting bro.
Take it easy.