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But to answer your reply (from that other thread)....
1) Please tell me how we can determine if they understand HU concepts from a SS graph. What does winning/losing streak tell you? That they're playing a game that involves some form of variance...
Not to mention that probably 99% of players aren't members so can only filter between MTTs or SnGs so would have no idea as to whether your sick SnG ROI was earned at DYMs or HU SnGs or a combination of the two. They'd also have no idea as to your game preference or any of the other things mentioned, but fair enough that still leaves probably 1% of people that could find out bits and bobs like that.
2) How on earth can we make any kinda of assumption about their ability to perform poker related maths?
3) Think of it this way.... if you're a good player with a great sharkscope, a good player will scope you and avoid you because their edge will be minimal if they have any at all (that's good for us).... However if you block your stats that same good player probably goes 'ahh another fish with a terrible SS that he's blocked, I'll play him'. So in actual fact you're doing the reverse of what you suggest by avoiding good players.
Long term winning HU players will have a better idea of HU concepts than long term losing players. Not really sure how you can debate that lol. Please clarify what exactly in the above statement you disagree with.
Granted if the sample size is 5 games we can disregard it, but on a sample size over 300 say, its pretty solid basis for interpretation of ability.
Im not a member, but in my 5 daily searches can see a fairly long list of the recent games they have played, which includes number of players.
2)
As above.
3)
Point understood, but firmly disagree.
If we keep it open....
Player A is bad, so will play you regardless of your SS cos they probably don't even know what SS is, and even if they do, they almost certainly won't be SS'ing all their opponents
Good we can still play bad players
Player B is good, sees our good SS and decides he probably his little to no edge and doesn't play us.
Good we avoid good players.
If we hide them...
Player A is bad, and still plays us cos again he hasn't bothered looking at SS etc
Good we can still play bad players
Player B is good, sees we've blocked our SS and most likely thinks (rightly or wrongly) 'this guy is probably a fish so I'll play him' which is bad for us, cos no matter how good we are, our edge won't be that big against another good reg in a HU SnG with 5% rake. Even if they do think blocked = good, and avoid you, they'd have definitely avoided you if they'd seen how good your stats were.
Bad cos we might end up playing more good regs that we'd like to.
So for a really good player, it's probably -EV.... it's probably only good sometimes for bad players, hence why people assume blocked stat players are bad
Likewise, I know loads of DYM grinders that will skope opponents before regging for the DYM and if there are too many good winning players, they won't play (which is good for the already regged winning player). Game selection innit
If you're using SS to "game-select", then isn't that essentially the same as bumhunting?
Using sharkscope as any serious barometer for HOW someone plays, is a little silly imo.
You should be reacting to the way people play constantly. Whether someone is a winner/loser tells you far less than just watching how they play for a few orbits. Not only that, but seeing that someone has their stats blocked entirely, can tell you far more than your average steady downswing (or upswing) graph. All just imo ofc.
I was expecting at least a witty answer.
No, nothing.........
Huh, guess I am correct by default, which makes you incorrect, Alas I am sure your ego will not accept that.
Man, consistantly reacting with emotion don't make anyone look good. At all.
Could you please point out the question(s) that' I've ducked out of answering? If there were any I missed in a seperate thread, I'm really sorry. There've been a fair few threads directed at me in the past week, in which I always try to reply in super-duper-uber detail. So any I've missed is at least understandable, no?
This thread should stay on topic. You have many threads already open in which to give me some sh it, use them.
And please, quit making every comeback personal. Winning an argument doesn't come from insulting the opposition.
EDIT [@19:59]: If... "Huh, guess I am correct by default, which makes you incorrect" is implying that...
If you're taking a stance on a topic, (whether you're for or against a motion...) it should be assumed you're right until proven wrong? Because you have X number of points, you're right by default because the opposition has none?
Because that's obviously bull, bro
It doesn't work that way IRL. You're wrong unless you can prove you're right. Not the other way around.
So, would you rather play 100 heads up games against the player that has lost £15,000 playing heads up or won £15,000 heads up? say for arguments sake, same sample size and same buy ins.
Just to add, the information we have it choice to play a proven HU winner or a proven HU loser. I say thats pretty useful information. Dont you?
You've said that your SS is good but you don't want people knowing how good.
Yes we'd rather play the guy who is -£15k so we'd choose NOT to play the guy who is +£15k, so if your (and I mean your in general, not specifically yours) SS is good, then you would want it on show so that good players avoid you... cos chances are the bad players aren't gonna be the ones skoping you.
My point had nothing to do with whether SS is accurate enough to draw reasonable conclusions from.
It was regarding the fact that the information you get from watching how they play, can be put to immediate profitable use. Whereas them being a winning player or not, tells you very little about HOW they actually play, what their bad tendancies are, or how to exploit them etc. That intel is cool to have, but serves you little use AT the tables.
Long story short, the most important question is, WHY is someone good/bad, not whether they're a winner/loser.
As said in my previous post, unless you're using SS to bumhunt, you'd generally speaking be much better off spending your time analysing their game, than analysing their SS graph.
Game set match ccf
On ignore, waste too much time on you, plus you dont even admit when you are wrong,
Boom
My Sharkscope isnt good, Im pretty sure its breakeven. I just dont want my stats on show.
However if I was good. I would still hide it, not to say you are wrong or I am wrong.
Appreciate all the points you have raised and appreciate the points I have asked you on and that you have answered (unlike Mr Clegg up there), but we can agree to disagree here. Is that ok fella?
No point this turning into War and Peace
ccf
Every time he starts a discussion, and people try to open up a dialogue and explain why he's wrong, he just bails on the entire argument.
Not to mention he throws around more schoolground insults than I throw around 3bets,
Has an insanely condescending belitting attitude, finding new ways to abuse people he disagrees with,
And never seems to be in the right, on any topic whatsoever.
All bearing in mind, the guy can't even beat 2p/4p.
What the ffff...?
I've replied to the guy and constantly tried to discuss things in a cordial manner. And almost every time, and he reacts like this: Unless his entire account is a level, I've never seen someone so outwardly proud of their ignorance. It's like he's 13yo and feels the need to prove himself by getting one over Vs anyone that challenges him.
I hate to say this, but he's a disgrace to the forum. He just treats everyone on here like $h1t.
perhaps, it has nothing to do with how good or how bad they are. I aint blocked mine
and you cant get worse than me at playing poker
Ever thought that may be related to real life and who can gain access to them
as in a spouse(partner), money laundering, devorce suits etc (excuse spelling)
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just my 2 pence worth
The vote is really only going to show what observers think the reason for them being blocked is, but not the real reason why people do it.
But generally when I check and see blocked I mutter the word TO SS ER to myself