Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?

LARSON7

Hey!

Had pocket queens early doors in an MTT i 3 bet, and then a reraise Jam, would you call or fold?

I called, i'm quite happy with the call. Jack's i'm folding here.

Just wondered what others thoughts were on this?

DrFoster	Small blind		15.00	15.00	5960.00
TheAxe	Big blind		30.00	45.00	4900.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
hutchb	Raise		120.00	165.00	5580.00
jimmy11	Fold
LARSON7	Raise		300.00	465.00	3802.50
DrFoster	All-in		5960

Larson???

THEROCK573

player dependant really for me.

hhyftrftdr

It probably should be a fold. But on Sky I'd call.

K8LOU

I think it is player depandant, but as u say its first level of a tournement and if u think u have an edge on these guys id fold alot of the time

LARSON7

Thanks, think i'd do the same again.

Was a race verus AK

THEROCK573

In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?:

Thanks, think i'd do the same again. Was a race verus AK
Posted by LARSON7

if you could see his hand and it was ak you would still do it again? you dont want to be taking flips this deep really mate, you only wanna be calling in spots like this if you know your oppenent is spewy and can do this with hands that you crush.

LARSON7

I meant if someone 4 bet jammed over the top and i had queens.

Definatly better spots. Maybe it is just a fold pre, interesting one. It would be such a bizarre line to open shove aces or kings, missin out on so much value. Weird play with AK too!

To be honest, i thought i probably had him crushed.

IDONKCALLU

with this jam it looks like ak so id call

GELDY

I've seen AAs here and a lot worse - readless QQ is a call for me - more often than not ahead and you get the read

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?:

It probably should be a call. But on Sky I'd fold.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

FYP, then I would agree.

No need to gamble here imo, if we are in the deepstack for the long haul!  We are here to outplay bad players, not to gamble vs them!

Obv if we dont care less we snap get it in, but if we want a long chilled out game we just fold and be happy about it.

Its a cold 4bet on Sky too, nearly always AA, KK or AK. 

davelufc

In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?:

with this jam it looks like ak so id call
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Brilliant analysis when OP has told you what oppo had!!!

@ Larson... more importantly, why have you donked off 30 bbs in the first 10 mins???!!!

fwiw, i fold. still plenty of chips to wait for a better spot.

IDONKCALLU

i didnt read that bit but when ever some 1 over jams its more then likely ak as they dnt wanna see a flop 

LARSON7

In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?:

In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens? : Brilliant analysis when OP has told you what oppo had!!! @ Larson... more importantly, why have you donked off 30 bbs in the first 10 mins???!!! fwiw, i fold. still plenty of chips to wait for a better spot.
Posted by davelufc

Monster draw, and I knew oppo had a massive hand, and if I got there I was getting paid. I never got there!

Turned out they only had JJ, but I would still have got paid nicely had I hut.

waller02

I fold here unless I have notes saying he has done this with a lot worse before. AK is your best hope really. JJ might shove but more likely you are looking at KK AA or AK. There might the odd time where they turn up with an underpair but it's just not worth the gamble imo

K8LOU

I understand ur call mate but i just think its a fold really often as its a deepstack !!! unless i have notes saying the oppenent is happy to get it in light! i would call against alot of guys on the site but if i didint have any notes i think i put it down without even thinking 

waller02

In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?:

i didnt read that bit but when ever some 1 over jams its more then likely ak as they dnt wanna see a flop 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

I disagree. Larson has 3 bet pre so there are plenty of players at the micro stakes who will shove with KK/AA because they think they will get called

grantorino

Cold 4b range monsters QQ in low stakes pokah