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Is this a fold

edited August 2013 in The Poker Clinic
urgh

your read is he is super aggro - so you are probably ahead of most of his range

you can shove or fold - but as you have no spades and he might have one - and he has you covered - and his call pre means if he does have a spade it will be a big one - he may well call

on reflection probably will fold - in game may well shove

Comments

  • edited August 2013
    Final 3 of ME 1 tiny stack to my left and a super aggro big stack on my right.

    I pick up aces with the view of getting mr aggro all in pre, he flats my 3 bet and I get this flop.

    Considering action and the fact that 2nd place is an extra £300 and also there is a tiny stack who is likely to go out over the next couple of orbits is this a fold to the min raise?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    TONY509 Small blind  1500.00 1500.00 377104.84
    Batkin88 Big blind  3000.00 4500.00 214190.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
         
    kcxyz Fold     
    TONY509 Raise  4500.00 9000.00 372604.84
    Batkin88 Raise  15000.00 24000.00 199190.00
    TONY509 Call  12000.00 36000.00 360604.84
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • 4
    • Q
         
    TONY509 Check     
    Batkin88 Bet  27000.00 63000.00 172190.00
    TONY509 Raise  54000.00 117000.00 306604.84
    Batkin88 ????
  • edited August 2013
    Im hating the click back here...

    URGH... I dunno.  I'd like to think I'd fold as even if you are ahead... you arent miles ahead... but if you are playing 'Mr Aggro' id probably think he was messing about with a queen and shove.... probably to find out he's holding the absolute nuts.
  • edited August 2013
    I'd say Icm makes it a fold, how short is shorty?

    On a purely chip EV front if you have been aggro too I prob click it back and hope he spews
  • edited August 2013
    shorty is running 49k. This hand as haunted me all day so disgusted I couldn't fold it. I had played a very poor FT only played a few hands so looked super tight. The writing was on the wall I just turned the light off and ran straight into it!
  • ybyb
    edited August 2013
    never folding here

    think i tank call and get it in on blank turns
  • edited August 2013
    If villain has been as aggro as you say, I think I'm happy to go for it. Perhaps happy is the wrong word, and I hate that clickback. As said above, flat it and look to get it in on a none spade turn. If he's flopped it then it's pretty unfortunate for us, but this looks like too good a spot to turn down vs an aggro maniac.

    If it's a nightmare turn card, we can get away and still be playing a reasonable stack.

    It is indeed a horrible spot.
  • edited August 2013
    fold n be happy about it even if u shove ya not much favourite against a pair and a spade draw
  • edited August 2013
    these type of hands in these spots are prob reason why I ain`t a great mtt player don`t think I fold.

    played this player quite a lot and they are very aggro and could easily just be raising with just a qx/9x or draw so i`m torn between just getting in the now but also like what YB said flat and see a safe turn and get it in.

    also I understand that it`s big pay jump but I always like play ftw so if win this pot off this opponent gets us in a great shape to do this.

    but by sounds of it you may have run it a monster this time?
  • edited August 2013
    nothing much you could of done batkin you played really well , I disagree with your assessment of me lol NOT AGGRO.
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