I suppose this is what they call variance

sillymid

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
KidCarter	Small blind		40.00	40.00	1965.00
Thepob	Big blind		80.00	120.00	640.00
	Your hole cards	K 8
sillymid	Fold
DandyDav43	Fold
rachael666	Fold
chazshel25	Raise		400.00	520.00	2607.50
KidCarter	Raise		680.00	1200.00	1285.00
Thepob	All-in		640.00	1840.00	0.00
chazshel25	Call		320.00	2160.00	2287.50
Flop
		8 2 4
KidCarter	Bet		1080.00	3240.00	205.00
chazshel25	Call		1080.00	4320.00	1207.50
Turn
		9
KidCarter	All-in		205.00	4525.00	0.00
chazshel25	Call		205.00	4730.00	1002.50
KidCarter	Show	A A
Thepob	Show	A A
chazshel25	Show	Q 10
River
		J
chazshel25	Win	Straight to the Queen	4730.00		5732.50

All I could do was watch the showdown open mouthed

calcalfold

I appreciate your mindset was looking to get it in soonish, given your stack

But against a big raise AND a reraise, I would call it stupidity rather than variance.

bwtfdik

craigcu12

let me guess was this from a BH MTT?

clubhammer

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance:

I appreciate your mindset was looking to get it in soonish, given your stack But against a big raise AND a reraise, I would call it stupidity rather than variance. bwtfdik
Posted by calcalfold

 He folded pre !

somer

Sadly, its just another example of the inability of the so called random number generator to produce random cards/hands.

The site experts will analyse the players actions advising on the play etc - whereas  we should all be asking: WTF is going on with this sites RNG! 

Batkin88

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance:

I appreciate your mindset was looking to get it in soonish, given your stack But against a big raise AND a reraise, I would call it stupidity rather than variance. bwtfdik
Posted by calcalfold

Re-read the HH, also still variance regardless of play. It is grating sometimes

davelufc

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance:

Sadly, its just another example of the inability of the so called random number generator to produce random cards/hands. The site experts will analyse the players actions advising on the play etc - whereas  we should all be asking: WTF is going on with this sites RNG! 
Posted by somer

Its absolutley nothing to do with the RNG, its just poker. We all get bad beats but we also win when we get it in behind. Its all just part of the game . I f you think its rigged then naff off to another site.

You`ve been posting for 2 & half years ish so i presume you been playing in that time.

Its a hobby ,

seppe

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance:

I appreciate your mindset was looking to get it in soonish, given your stack But against a big raise AND a reraise, I would call it stupidity rather than variance. bwtfdik
Posted by calcalfold

classic case of just looking at the hand its self & nothin else.

EPIC FAIL

ALANSK100

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance:

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance : Its absolutley nothing to do with the RNG, its just poker. We all get bad beats but we also win when we get it in behind. Its all just part of the game . I f you think its rigged then naff off to another site. You`ve been posting for 2 & half years ish so i presume you been playing in that time. Its a hobby ,
Posted by davelufc

just dont see the need for this post surely we shouldnt be telling other players to naff off to other sites these forums are meant to be what makes sky a friendly place but it is quite the opposite sometimes  and is it not for you to tell people to NAFF OF TO OTHER SITES REALLY !!!

somer

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance:

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance : Its absolutley nothing to do with the RNG, its just poker. We all get bad beats but we also win when we get it in behind. Its all just part of the game . I f you think its rigged then naff off to another site. You`ve been posting for 2 & half years ish so i presume you been playing in that time. Its a hobby ,
Posted by davelufc

“its absolutely nothing to do with the RNG”

Sorry, my mistake. I thought the RNG was the tool used to produce unpredictable, unbiased, and statistically random cards and my comment was based on its performance -  I should have realised that ‘its just poker’ which seems to be the answer for everything.

 

“If you think its rigged naff off”

Never mentioned the word rigged - cause for concern would be more appropriate.

As for the “naff off” advice - naturally, I will give it some consideration although when I became an adult many (far too many) years ago I decided to make my own decisions - nevertheless, thanks for the suggestion.

“You’ve been posting for 2 & half years ish so i presume you been playing in that time.”

Yes  - and a number of years prior to posting on this site. I prefer live play if the intention is to play seriously. I am a bit old fashioned in as much as I like to see the cards being shuffled and dealt -  However, on-line poker is a good pastime.

I believe SKY is (for me) one of the best on-line poker sites - but it is not above criticism nor should it be.

SEPERABIT

if it is so random why do so many of the regular players continually winn all in hands even when they have rubbish hands but had aa the flop comes akk  player rip off goes allin  shows k2 turn 8 river oh what a suprise k on the river.  then i get ak turn comes tjq so yeah got a straight player rip off yes same player goes all in turns his cards has a2d board on ly has 1 d on it so still thinking thats kl then the turn diamond then the river ooh yes what a suprise its another diamond  so he wins again with the help of sky this happens all the time with vertain players they go all in against a made hand needing the river and turn too go for them and 9/10 times it doe,s now that too me is not variance,and  the amount of times pocket aa loses to hands like 23.42.65.88 is unbelievable its that bad i wont even raise with them anymore as no point as u always lose...think its about time sky had they,re rng tested and the results published online and prove how reliable they,re software is.or this question will continually go on and on and any1 that does not beleive go and watch h/u dyms and watch how many times certain players are continually let out of jail its unbeleivable

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance:

if it is so random why do so many of the regular players continually winn all in hands even when they have rubbish hands but had aa the flop comes akk  player rip off goes allin  shows k2 turn 8 river oh what a suprise k on the river.  then i get ak turn comes tjq so yeah got a straight player rip off yes same player goes all in turns his cards has a2d board on ly has 1 d on it so still thinking thats kl then the turn diamond then the river ooh yes what a suprise its another diamond  so he wins again with the help of sky this happens all the time with vertain players they go all in against a made hand needing the river and turn too go for them and 9/10 times it doe,s now that too me is not variance,and  the amount of times pocket aa loses to hands like 23.42.65.88 is unbelievable its that bad i wont even raise with them anymore as no point as u always lose...think its about time sky had they,re rng tested and the results published online and prove how reliable they,re software is.or this question will continually go on and on and any1 that does not beleive go and watch h/u dyms and watch how many times certain players are continually let out of jail its unbeleivable
Posted by SEPERABIT

Full stops. Brilliant invention.

If you don't raise AA for fear of being outdrawn, then poker isn't for you my friend. It's very easy to blame the software/site, but people who do need to be looking closer to home for their problems.

courtswans

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance:

if it is so random why do so many of the regular players continually winn all in hands even when they have rubbish hands but had aa the flop comes akk  player rip off goes allin  shows k2 turn 8 river oh what a suprise k on the river.  then i get ak turn comes tjq so yeah got a straight player rip off yes same player goes all in turns his cards has a2d board on ly has 1 d on it so still thinking thats kl then the turn diamond then the river ooh yes what a suprise its another diamond  so he wins again with the help of sky this happens all the time with vertain players they go all in against a made hand needing the river and turn too go for them and 9/10 times it doe,s now that too me is not variance,and  the amount of times pocket aa loses to hands like 23.42.65.88 is unbelievable its that bad i wont even raise with them anymore as no point as u always lose...think its about time sky had they,re rng tested and the results published online and prove how reliable they,re software is.or this question will continually go on and on and any1 that does not beleive go and watch h/u dyms and watch how many times certain players are continually let out of jail its unbeleivable
Posted by SEPERABIT

Id you don't enjoy it mate stick to horses or sports betting, whatever, ive been there and I found when I withdrew money from here, I run a lot worse. But im 19 its better that I learn now than in 20 hyeas time and I look and think "what happened" I don't enjoy it anymore which is why I don't play here anymore!

screwy27

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance:

if it is so random why do so many of the regular players continually winn all in hands even when they have rubbish hands but had aa the flop comes akk  player rip off goes allin  shows k2 turn 8 river oh what a suprise k on the river.  then i get ak turn comes tjq so yeah got a straight player rip off yes same player goes all in turns his cards has a2d board on ly has 1 d on it so still thinking thats kl then the turn diamond then the river ooh yes what a suprise its another diamond  so he wins again with the help of sky this happens all the time with vertain players they go all in against a made hand needing the river and turn too go for them and 9/10 times it doe,s now that too me is not variance,and  the amount of times pocket aa loses to hands like 23.42.65.88 is unbelievable its that bad i wont even raise with them anymore as no point as u always lose...think its about time sky had they,re rng tested and the results published online and prove how reliable they,re software is.or this question will continually go on and on and any1 that does not beleive go and watch h/u dyms and watch how many times certain players are continually let out of jail its unbeleivable
Posted by SEPERABIT

does your AK lose to to 56 ? and your 56 loses to AK? and your AA loses to a flush gut shot on the river? but your flush gut shot never wins? its called variance mate it will happen to you don't know when but you will win... just got to be patient and watch the table not hard when you think about it

chicknMelt

I'd love to see an all in-equity graph vs actual winnings for some of these players that swear blind that its not random/and or rigged. It would be even better to compare these against the so called "regs" that seem to win more than their fair share. Unfortunately sky doesn't let you download your hand history though I'd be willing to bet that in the vast majority of cases the graphs will be pretty much what they should be (but probably with a downward curve, as the players that complain are normally losing players)

when ever I see a post like that (and its probably the same for most people) I just think: another person that remembers that bad luck more that the good, and most likely not a winning player.

you need more evidence than a few "bad beats" - no one will you seriously until you do. Of course, getting that evidence will be next to impossible.

I have been playing on Sky pretty heavily since about April. I have had absolutely disgusting runs of cards, and I have also had brilliant runs of cards. the bad runs just stick in the mind more + its easy to pass off luck as good play.

snorky

In Response to Re: I suppose this is what they call variance:

I'd love to see an all in-equity graph vs actual winnings for some of these players that swear blind that its not random/and or rigged. It would be even better to compare these against the so called "regs" that seem to win more than their fair share. Unfortunately sky doesn't let you download your hand history though I'd be willing to bet that in the vast majority of cases the graphs will be pretty much what they should be (but probably with a downward curve, as the players that complain are normally losing players) when ever I see a post like that (and its probably the same for most people) I just think: another person that remembers that bad luck more that the good, and most likely not a winning player. you need more evidence than a few "bad beats" - no one will you seriously until you do. Of course, getting that evidence will be next to impossible. I have been playing on Sky pretty heavily since about April. I have had absolutely disgusting runs of cards, and I have also had brilliant runs of cards. the bad runs just stick in the mind more + its easy to pass off luck as good play.
Posted by chicknMelt

The key is getting the evidence is almost impossible . Remove the almost and you would be correct.
Been playin here over 5 years and now it's just silly TBH. Its just TOOOOOOOOO unbelievable now.
My impossible to prove opinion of course.