should i have just did a full pot bet on the flop and turn

craigcu12

papi176	Small blind		15.00	15.00	3755.00
TeamTango8	Big blind		30.00	45.00	2195.00
	Your hole cards	A K
EBBERDON	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		120.00	165.00	1935.00
larrylad	Call		120.00	285.00	1850.00
papi176	Fold
TeamTango8	Fold
Flop
		3 A J
craigcu12	Bet		120.00	405.00	1815.00
larrylad	Call		120.00	525.00	1730.00
Turn
		8
craigcu12	Bet		393.75	918.75	1421.25
larrylad	Call		393.75	1312.50	1336.25
River
		J
craigcu12	Bet		180.00	1492.50	1241.25
larrylad	Raise		570.00	2062.50	766.25
craigcu12	Call		390.00	2452.50	851.25

this hand was from Fridays main event

hhyftrftdr

Whats the thinking behind betting almost 400 on turn, then 180 on river? 

We've set the betting up nicely to jam the river. So I don't understand your bet sizing at the end. As played, we don't know if he's trying to pounce on perceived weakness by raising, or if he has us beat. I doubt he's bluffing out of that stack, but is he raising AQ/A10 in this spot? 

craigcu12

part of why I did do it was I thought I could act scared of a J which TBH was my real worry should I have just checked ?
if I did a jam right away on that river could he have thought I held AJ or would it still be too much for KJ to fold
also had I did a pot sized bet on the flop and turn top 2 pair would be very likely I think?

craigcu12

		J
craigcu12	Bet		180.00	1492.50	1241.25
larrylad	Raise		570.00	2062.50	766.25
craigcu12	Call		390.00	2452.50	851.25
larrylad	Show	J K
craigcu12	Muck	A K
larrylad	Win	Three Jacks	2452.50		3218

Lambert180

I go a bit bigger on the flop, turn size is fine (although type in your bets imo, don't use the betting buttons).

I'm jamming the river  and it's for value. We're not trying to make KJ fold, for one that's never gonna happen, and secondly we don't know he has KJ at the time. He can still call with a load of weaker Ax hands, especially after he's come this far

hhyftrftdr

Couple of things....

He snaps you off if you jam the river. But I don't think it would be a bad move to do it in the long run.

Think your bet sizing is a little off. Pre fine....we flop pretty much the nuts (close enough anyway) with nut re-draws, we should be looking for max value. You bet 120 into 285, less than half pot. I'd be looking at closer to 200 or a bit above. You then bet almost 400 into 525 on the turn, which is fine (though i'd recommend not just hitting 3/4 pot but type it in instead). When he calls that turn bet, he has something. Flush draw is possible but we hold the 2 biggest flush cards. Q9h is possible as villain picks up extra equity on that turn card. Set of 3's is also possible but I'd expect to see a raise as it's a draw heavy board with straight and flush potential, and it's a board that will, more often than not, have hit your range and give villain action.

The hand that would concern me is AJ after villain calls turn, but that is narrowing them down to almost one hand. I still think we can be ahead here enough of the time to bet that turn for value, with the back up of the nut draw. 

On the river, if we've bet decent amounts on flop and turn, it should leave us with a pot sized jam for river. I can't decide if the J is actually a good card for us or not. In this instance it's bad, but vs other large aces it makes their hand appear better and perhaps more inclined to call a shove. But I don't think we should be betting small then calling that raise. I'd either stick the rest in, or check and use the 1.7 second time bar to decide if that J has helped villain or not when they stick us in. History/reads would be useful here to determine what line to take.

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: should i have just did a full pot bet on the flop and turn:

I go a bit bigger on the flop, turn size is fine (although type in your bets imo, don't use the betting buttons). I'm jamming the river  and it's for value. We're not trying to make KJ fold, for one that's never gonna happen, and secondly we don't know he has KJ at the time. He can still call with a load of weaker Ax hands, especially after he's come this far
Posted by Lambert180

Sigh, it takes me about 4 hours to type my reply, when Lambert can sum it up much better in about 40 words.

ibluffhard

nah your response was more in depth, enjoyed reading it