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Cash Poker - Folding 2nd Nuts
In some spots, you should never ever do it, in others it can be quite easy (albeit painful) but how about this scenario...
You're in a single raised pot (raised by yourself) and you got 3 callers preflop. We have KJo
So we go to the flop 4way which is AAA and it get's checked round (the pot is about 15xBB)
The turn is a King so turn the 2nd nuts. Villian leads out 4way for full pot and it's on us.
Is there ever an arguement to fold here? If we call here then we have to call 100% of rivers obv.
Is this a scenario where we're only ever gonna be chopping or losing given the full pot bet 4way? Is he ever gonna do this with TT for instance know ing he can't really get called by anything worse?
Whatever your opinion is, why do u think it's the right one?
You're in a single raised pot (raised by yourself) and you got 3 callers preflop. We have KJo
So we go to the flop 4way which is AAA and it get's checked round (the pot is about 15xBB)
The turn is a King so turn the 2nd nuts. Villian leads out 4way for full pot and it's on us.
Is there ever an arguement to fold here? If we call here then we have to call 100% of rivers obv.
Is this a scenario where we're only ever gonna be chopping or losing given the full pot bet 4way? Is he ever gonna do this with TT for instance know ing he can't really get called by anything worse?
Whatever your opinion is, why do u think it's the right one?
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EDIT: JJ has asked for the HH so when I finish my grind I'll try to find it, but a bit of a pain in the azz to find cos it was just a small pot and I'll have played 100s of hands that size this session
Not sure why rancid overbets the river though. It's certainly not for value, so is it to fold out a split? If so, I don't think the sizing is big enough. When we do overbet and get shoved on it's a pretty horrible spot. Villain is obviously never bluffing (unless he's super sick) because he knows we won't be folding an A and could potentially have a 5 ourself. But is he really shoving with an A to try and fold out a chop? He could easily have a hand like AA or KK as well as a 5, so I think I'm probably folding. edit: nvm I didn't know the action pre. AA and KK is unlikely. I guess if it's an unknown you prob have to call because he might just be thinking any Ax is the nuts and with what we've invested, it's hard to fold.
It was a single raised pot but I iso'd 2 limpers, and it did get checked round then full potted on the turn but it was 3way not 4way
Wouldn't he just C/C with say TT?
what % of the time does vill have worse/bluffs
what % of the time does vill have a K
what % of the time does vill have an Ace
calculate
probs -EV to call
depends what % of your stack you have put in already but this spot is a fold
would be great if we could fold in game
cause your a nit
very hard to fold in game for a buy in as these spots hardly ever arise
plus it's gonna bug u 4ever if they actually had it or not - like this thread
Disclaimer; I don't play cash.
Like the dead money in the middle will cover any rake when I chop with Kx but that relies on him having Kx 100% of the time. If he has Ax even 10% then it's not +EV is it?
only intrested in:
win 13.60
lose 6.80
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if u call then work it out again for the turn
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if you shove then .......................... ok good luck
That last sentence sums up everything that's wrong with the cash games atm. Full of people who don't know how to play poker so they think 'well I'll just wait for the nuts' then some more people come along and think 'hmm everyone is really tight... how do I combat that... erm I'll just wait for the nuts myself and hope I cooler them'.
Being a massive nit is not the only way to win, nor is it the best way to win. People like Dohhhh are a testiment to that... when he could be bothered playing he used to consistently batter the games and it wasn't by just waiting for QQ+ and AK all night.
You can 'play poker' on here, you just gotta adapt how you play it.
Sorry to rant but it's just SO boring when there are a handful of people on most tables where they are just so nitty it's unbelievable.
Well it's all relative about what I get it in with. There are some people I 100% will not get it in pre with QQ/AK for 100xBB and that's not because I'm being nitty it's because if they wanna get in 100xBB+ pre, I know I'll be shown AA/KK practically every single time.
Yeah I totally agree about being TAG and that is still what I'd say I am. I'm by no means super laggy but there's a mahoosive difference between a tight aggressive, solid game, and some of the stuff you must see at the table. Like in what world should you be able to confidently 3bet/fold QQ pre against some people.
Yeah you don't need to justify anything and just like if you wanna open shove every hand in an MTT, you pay your money, you can do what you like.
This hand is imo a very different kind of nittiness, I'm probably just overthinking the situation too much although I'm still not sure that he would ever bluff this spot or lead for full pot with hands like TT when he just can't get called by worse but w/e doesn't matter.
I'm playing about 10 tables atm so can't really come on Skype (took me about 25 mins to write this) but can do another time if you like. Not sure what comment you're referring to, the only thing I can think where I mentioned you was the RemyMartin comparison and I wouldn't have thought you'd be offended by that, you're the one telling me not to get offended for being called a nit
Hope there's no hard feelings, it's only a game.
Yeah I agree about the new promo, it's a good middle ground because the high volume players will barely see any difference (if any) so it won't encourage them to just play a million tables but lower volume players might get an extra £50 out of it. I assume DTM must be joking in that other thread.