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Free speech on here?
The rock asked a question about huds and a few posts in it gets closed because "sky does not support huds" .and they don't like you discussing them...wtf?
No one was arguing/ being abusive.huds are on loads of sites legally.
Yet we are not allowed to discuss on an open forum?...censorship rules!
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Free speech doesn't really exist on forums. Perhaps on a few, but in two decades I don't recall ever being part of one where it is allowed. We basically follow rules/guidelines set out by the forum host. So if they don't want a certain type of discussion, then they can choose to stop it. We may not strictly agree with it, it may seem silly to us, but it's their rules.
If it was a discussion about whether or not sky should support HUDs then that would be free speech.
What the thread was though was a request for help about how to set up a HUD and use it on other sites.
Why should a Sky forum allow chat effectively helping people to...
a) Play on other sites
b) Stay on other sites because they want/need to use a HUD
I for one am glad that HUDs are not used on sky - it means I can only get beaten by better players and the poker gods - I would hate losing to a human + software.
My two pence - feel FREE to disagree!
You nailed it, Mr Phantom.
I do feel very uncomfortable about this whole "Free Speech" debate, especially in cases like this, so I'm going to start a separate thread to explain why, & we can all use it as a forum for reasoned discussion about the whole issue. I'll do it in the next hour or so.
Until then, can we ALL hold off further discussion of the topic, as I am hoping I can explain things such that we all have a better understanding of Sky Poker's position, & reasoning.
Thank you.
Please see my previous Post, as I very much want to address this whole issue. There are "angles" to it which I don't believe everyone has taken into account.
Bear with me for an hour or so please.
Thanks.
Joined the poker rake offer discussions late.
Skypoker run the forum and have the right to close discussions if they want.
However what I object to is the closing of all new threads that refer to the issue, while saying you have addressed the reasons in another thread - when it seems that the original thread has been removed completely.
If you feel you have answered that point...
What is wrong with leaving the answer for us to see?
I thought I would use another thread in the context of "free speech" than start yet another new one.
yeah this wasn't aimed at you. Nor is it at others, i know a few people have made efforts to speak to sky privately (i signed my name on one of them). I know things are frustrating sometimes but i just feel the way things are going it feels like a power struggle between Sky and players, which really isn't good for either party.
I agree with Don that this should be handled off-forum.
I am not anti-sky on the issue.
See my earlier post on this thread - I fully supported them on the HUD debate.
I am genuinely curious as to what the explanation was from sky.
To quote an earlier post from sky...
"Hi guys,
That would be fair enough if the post of the reasons was still visible.
Both Tikay and Sky forum guys fully explained the HUD position and I agreed with them.
(A hud is a piece of software that actively tracks other players on your tables and is used by multi-table grinders on some sites - sky don't support them - a position I am grateful of)
Today's posts on this thread have a new context about a rakeback promotion.
Don't know whether or not I agree with sky on the rakeback issue - because I don't know what they have said on it.
I think it's fair enough to use the forum to openly discuss issues amongst the community.
This is airing our "dirty laundry" in semi-private among the users of the site who care enough to interact with each other and sky on it.
Would Sky rather that all gripes were raised on Twitter for all the world to see - not just community members?
It can be seen here
Still not sure why sky felt the need to close the thread to further discussion and ask for PM feedback only?
I'll keep my thoughts to myself though - seems I'm not allowed to express them.
Shame I might have actually supported Sky like I did on the HUDs but they'll never know now.
The starting of a million silly threads which are obviously gonna get closed will obviously not solve anything, but I think it's borne out of frustration when a thread was potentially unnecessarily closed.
The more I think about it, the more I think there probably wasn't any point keeping the thread open because there's not much left to discuss. Sky explained that they're doing it to try to get new players in/improve liquidity etc. Now we can argue about whether these type of sites bring in the 'right kind of traffic' to do this or whether we believe it to be fair or not to existing customers but obviously Sky have already looked into these things and made their decisions.
Suffice to say, no point discussing it on here anymore imo.
2. Agreed
3. Disagree
4. Ok but...
All businesses of all types have existing customers who they want to keep happy and get more business from and people who are with competitors who they would like to attract.
Even the banks have cottoned on that people switch for better deals and this upsets existing loyal customers and have started promoting loyalty bonuses as well as the new deals.
Now there is a subset of loyal sky customers who watch the shows / post on the forums as well as play regularly whether as a casual rec or more seriously.
I would just urge Sky to keep any debate that affects their existing customers open - by closing that thread too early it fuelled the flames of new threads and got out of control.
I note that the reward Sky offer merely keeps them on a level playing field with most of the other sites.
Perhaps other ideas to bring in new customers and satisfy existing ones might come forward if Sky asked the question.
E.g. what if the refer a friend scheme resulted in higher rake for the referrer and referee.
If RTR members don't get loyalty club membership - how about improving that as both a reward to the loyal members who achieve it and as an incentive for new RTR members to play more?
You can't please all the folk all the time, but you sure will upset a lot of folk if you don't let them have their say.