Early stages of Orfy. River decision.

waller02

Oppo is unknown to me. Still early levels so no real reads either. The raise on the flop could be a hand that has me in serious trouble but could just as easily be a draw so I decide to see a turn card. On the turn I feel my hand is too strong to fold (should I shove here rather than call?). The river is a tough spot.....what should I do?? How is my play on earlier streets?? Advice please.

Snuffer	Small blind		20.00	20.00	7260.00
jawzindawz	Big blind		40.00	60.00	4315.00
	Your hole cards	K K
deepboy	Fold
MP33	Fold
sinequanon	Call		40.00	100.00	4960.00
monkey123	Fold
breffnilad	Fold
ZOED	Fold
waller02	Raise		160.00	260.00	6427.50
Snuffer	Call		140.00	400.00	7120.00
jawzindawz	Fold
sinequanon	Call		120.00	520.00	4840.00
Flop
		7 4 6
Snuffer	Check
sinequanon	Check
waller02	Bet		280.00	800.00	6147.50
Snuffer	Raise		820.00	1620.00	6300.00
sinequanon	Fold
waller02	Call		540.00	2160.00	5607.50
Turn
		K
Snuffer	Bet		2160.00	4320.00	4140.00
waller02	Call		2160.00	6480.00	3447.50
River
		9
Snuffer	All-in		4140.00	10620.00	0.00
waller02	??

Phantom66

Don't like the call

what made you disbelieve the check raise on the flop?

you improve on the turn - but are still behind if villain has the str8 or flush

If we don't believe villain has it I would prefer the shove on the turn to get rid of any Adx hands or at least make them pay to call. If he calls with made flush at least you have outs.

river shove have to put villain on flush - fold.

waller02

I just find the straight to be very unlikely here, ofc I know it can't be ruled but I was thinking more along the lines of a Ad hand or a set. The flopped flush is always there too. Im not playing well of late!!!

The mistake is on the turn here though yeah? Fold or shove are the only options?

hhyftrftdr

Not worried about a straight. He could've flopped the flush, he could also hold the A7 with the A of diamonds and wants to plough the chips in. Flopped flushes are pretty rare, so although we can't discount it, I'd lean more towards a set. People like to see flops with the small/medium PP's in a deep stack comp, so that cold call can certainly be 44 66 or 77. 

I ship that turn. If he's flopped it, then so be it but we have outs. If he's flopped a set, another diamond on the river kills your action. And if he has the A of diamonds, make him pay!

Phantom66

In Response to Re: Early stages of Orfy. River decision.:

The mistake is on the turn here though yeah? Fold or shove are the only options?
Posted by waller02

Ship the turn, or fold the flop after reraise, are the only options for me

Starting to commit a lot of chips with just an overpair on flop and have given villain the lead on the betting with the call.

It's a deep stack so don't need to get too busy early on with an overpair after C/R

On turn it's a ship with the over set.

Overpair with a limp caller and a BB caller is a tough spot on a wet board

DOHHHHHHH

Call flop/call this turn/call this river.

Or fold flop.

Dnt know why we'd shove the turn?

Last thing we want to do is let him get away from 75, 65, A7, 67 etc.

I'd probably just fold the flop in this comp tho.

waller02

I called every street.........as I posted the hand it's pretty obv I lost. KJ, flopped flush.

Cheers for the input