Thanks for the turn sky hoped no one had a Q on the flop then hoped they both had one on the turn :(

rivermunky

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceevoboySmall blind 25.0025.002825.00TheOAPBig blind 50.0075.002950.00 Your hole cards55   manutd1999Raise 150.00225.002850.00lerkyRaise 450.00675.002725.00rivermunkyCall 450.001125.002450.00carrsbarFold    evoboyFold    TheOAPFold    manutd1999Call 300.001425.002550.00Flop  8QQ   manutd1999Check    lerkyCheck    rivermunkyBet 350.001775.002100.00manutd1999Call 350.002125.002200.00lerkyCall 350.002475.002375.00Turn  5   manutd1999Check    lerkyCheck    rivermunkyBet 400.002875.001700.00manutd1999Call 400.003275.001800.00lerkyFold    River  4   manutd1999All-in 1800.005075.000.00rivermunkyAll-in 1700.006775.000.00manutd1999Unmatched bet 100.006675.00100.00manutd1999ShowQQ   rivermunkyShow55   manutd1999WinFour Queens6675.00 6775.00

F_Ivanovic

Fold pre. Set-mining with this stack size is just terrible.

Slipwater

Yeah, with a raise and re-raise in front of you, just put the 5s in the bin. You are very rarely going to be good in that spot.

FlashFlush

Calling the 150 would be acceptable, but not 450!

Slipwater

In Response to Re: Thanks for the turn sky hoped no one had a Q on the flop then hoped they both had one on the turn (((((((:

Calling the 150 would be acceptable, but not 450!
Posted by FlashFlush

Agreed.

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: Thanks for the turn sky hoped no one had a Q on the flop then hoped they both had one on the turn (((((((:

Calling the 150 would be acceptable, but not 450!
Posted by FlashFlush

Double Primo winner talks sense! Listen to him!

VWP sir.

The_Don90

maybe im being picky, but what does the flop bet achieve? 

Lambert180

Yeah played pretty badly tbf

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: Thanks for the turn sky hoped no one had a Q on the flop then hoped they both had one on the turn (((((((:

maybe im being picky, but what does the flop bet achieve? 
Posted by The_Don90

about as much as the turn bet

jdsallstar

just to ask a follow up question on this:
 
when is it profitable to set mine? i.e. implied odds & stack sizes etc I'm finding a lot of conflicting stuff online.

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Thanks for the turn sky hoped no one had a Q on the flop then hoped they both had one on the turn (((((((:

just to ask a follow up question on this:   when is it profitable to set mine? i.e. implied odds & stack sizes etc I'm finding a lot of conflicting stuff online.
Posted by jdsallstar

They generally say you should be capable of winning about 20x how much you need to call to just pure set mine. It's like 1in9 times you'll flop a set but winning 20x the call will allow for the times you do flop a set and get nothing for it, or flop a set and still lose etc.

So in this example, for OP to call 450, he should want both his and the opponent's stack to be 9000+ (minus what's in the pot already.

As it is, his dream scenario is flop a set, stack the 3bettor and win 1125 (the pot now) + 2450 (villians stack).

So 1 time in 9 he wins 3575

8 times in 9 he loses 450 * 8 = 3600

So it's a losing play even if he could say that when he flops a set he will have the best hand by the river 100% of the time and the villian will stack off 100% of the time, and obv we can never say that.

It's partly player dependent, like some players we will recognise as people that will happily just stack off with 2nd pr so our chances of winning stacks setmining against them are good, whereas others will not stack off with TPTK 100xBB deep so we'd need them to hit big but not as big as us so the implied odds aren't so good.


That's all talking about just pure set mining. Sometimes we can call pre against some people with 99 knowing obv a set would be nice but we can also proceed on some flops where we're likely to be good.

jdsallstar

In Response to Re: Thanks for the turn sky hoped no one had a Q on the flop then hoped they both had one on the turn (((((((:

In Response to Re: Thanks for the turn sky hoped no one had a Q on the flop then hoped they both had one on the turn ((((((( : They generally say you should be capable of winning about 20x how much you need to call to just pure set mine. It's like 1in9 times you'll flop a set but winning 20x the call will allow for the times you do flop a set and get nothing for it, or flop a set and still lose etc. So in this example, for OP to call 450, he should want both his and the opponent's stack to be 9000+ (minus what's in the pot already. As it is, his dream scenario is flop a set, stack the 3bettor and win 1125 (the pot now) + 2450 (villians stack). So 1 time in 9 he wins 3575 8 times in 9 he loses 450 * 8 = 3600 So it's a losing play even if he could say that when he flops a set he will have the best hand by the river 100% of the time and the villian will stack off 100% of the time, and obv we can never say that. It's partly player dependent, like some players we will recognise as people that will happily just stack off with 2nd pr so our chances of winning stacks setmining against them are good, whereas others will not stack off with TPTK 100xBB deep so we'd need them to hit big but not as big as us so the implied odds aren't so good. That's all talking about just pure set mining. Sometimes we can call pre against some people with 99 knowing obv a set would be nice but we can also proceed on some flops where we're likely to be good.
Posted by Lambert180

Perfect Paul thanks for that!

a00rock

John Tabatabi poker pro said when analysing on Sky Poker you should not use more than 10% of your stack to see the flop! Personally I would not use more than 5% ...each to their own.