What do we do on the river?

dabossman

I had not long joined the table and didnt have notes on any of the other players. On the flop and turn I think I am ahead but I do not want to go crazy so decide to check call all the way. On the river do we ever think we are ahead now? 

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
dabossman	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£9.70
hard_on	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£10.64
	Your hole cards	J J
V	Raise		£0.30	£0.45	£11.27
TheRaven	Fold
DELDAVE	Fold
x	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£2.21
dabossman	Call		£0.25	£1.00	£9.45
hard_on	Fold
Flop
		8 7 10
dabossman	Check
V	Bet		£0.50	£1.50	£10.77
x	Call		£0.50	£2.00	£1.71
dabossman	Call		£0.50	£2.50	£8.95
Turn
		7
dabossman	Check
V	Bet		£1.40	£3.90	£9.37
x	All-in		£1.71	£5.61	£0.00
dabossman	Call		£1.71	£7.32	£7.24
V	Call		£0.31	£7.63	£9.06
River
		7
dabossman	Check
V	All-in		£9.06	£16.69	£0.00
dabossman	??????

Phantom66

Player readless - give a quick prayer to the poker gods and call.

If villain has a 7 so be it. More worried about the higher FH with 88,TT,QQ,KK,AA from them as pre-flop raiser and lead-out better.

However I think villain has enough hands they could think they are ahead with to call (lower FH than you 7's over T,9,8,6, flush or even straight if not a great player).

Definitely think you were too passive preflop and on flop though and should have reraised both.

a00rock

Think I have to call this off although V could have us crushed with the strong line taken on every street. Also agree with Phantom re passive play.

dabossman

I agree with the comments about being too passive pre, it was because I was opening other tables and didnt realise the hand had been dealt and only had enough time to call. My bad lol

On the flop, you would advocate re raising on that type of board? I dunno, do we not get called by all the draws under the sun and acheive nothing other than bloating the pot with a hand that could already be crushed?

Phantom66

In Response to Re: What do we do on the river?:

I agree with the comments about being too passive pre, it was because I was opening other tables and didnt realise the hand had been dealt and only had enough time to call. My bad lol On the flop, you would advocate re raising on that type of board? I dunno, do we not get called by all the draws under the sun and acheive nothing other than bloating the pot with a hand that could already be crushed?
Posted by dabossman

I would reraise there - I definitely don't want 2 opponents in the hand on such a drawing board and have to think there is still a good chance we are ahead with our overpair and can get value. If a drawing hand is going to call we want them to pay the price to do so.

Your alternative is to just call and price both opponents in to make their draw - which doesn't make sense to me.

If your opponents are the type to call any sized raise on a draw - happy days - the value comes from having them pay more than the odds they are getting to hit.

Most hands that you can make money from there is always a chance you are crushed! Would be nice to get lots of nutz v 2nd nutz hands but truth is you will get the better end of that deal as many times as the worse end.