Range Merging

DOHHHHHHH

Here's 1?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
DOHHHHHHH	Small blind		15.00	15.00	880.00
bobo111	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1075.00
	Your hole cards	6 4
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		60.00	105.00	820.00
bobo111	Call		45.00	150.00	1030.00
Flop
		Q 4 A
bobo111	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		88.00	238.00	732.00
bobo111	Call		88.00	326.00	942.00
Turn
		6
bobo111	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		150.00	476.00	582.00
bobo111	Call		150.00	626.00	792.00
River
		A
bobo111	All-in		792.00	1418.00	0.00
DOHHHHHHH	All-in		582.00	2000.00	0.00
bobo111	Unmatched bet		210.00	1790.00	210.00
DOHHHHHHH	Show	6 4
bobo111	Show	8 Q
bobo111	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Queens	1790.00		2000.00

hhyftrftdr

I don't think so Doh.

Thats just a bad call

craigcu12

is this a one perhaps?

BAGGPUSS	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£19.30
x	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£16.85
	Your hole cards	6 4
lydon13	Fold
moyle06	Fold
POKEY2011	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.30	£0.45	£25.05
BAGGPUSS	Call		£0.25	£0.70	£19.05
x	Call		£0.20	£0.90	£16.65
Flop
		7 9 6
BAGGPUSS	Check
x	Bet		£0.68	£1.58	£15.97
craigcu12	Call		£0.68	£2.26	£24.37
BAGGPUSS	Fold
Turn
		Q
x	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£1.70	£3.96	£22.67
x	Call		£1.70	£5.66	£14.27
River
		2
x	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£5.66	£11.32	£17.01
x	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		£5.23		£22.24

Lambert180

Lol no that's just a really bad bluff Craig. If you're shoving as a range merge, it means you have to be able to be called by worse.... good luck getting someone to call with 55 or 2x on that river lol.

craigcu12

In Response to Re: Range Merging:

C'mon who's gonna become a hero by posting the first genuine range merge?????????
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

it seems to be difficult time trying to get a range merger hand.

maybe their could be a reward for the first range merge hand lol

Lambert180

The reason for that is because people don't generally do it. If you've done one, you'll know about it (or you should do lol). It requires some kinda dynamic/history between the players for instance that your opponent knows you can overbet shove rivers with nutty hands and complete air which means they start calling light in some spots to catch us out bluffing, so to exploit that, we include some hands in our range that are neither nutty or air, they are good enough to beat the bluff catching hands he'll call with when he expects us to have air.

Without those dynamics, most people generally assume overbet shoves on the river are just nutty, cos they usually are, so they won't make light calls, which means we can't include these weaker showdown hands in the 'value' shove range.

LnarinOO

ill give you a good example.. 

we have JJ and raise BTT- we get 3bet from the BB and we decide to call. 

-flop-  QQ6

 villain bets and we call

-turn-    3

villan barrells and we call 

-river-   8

villan shoves 

for the examples sake lets just say both players have alot of history..if we know that villain can be merging here then it puts us in a tricky situation..

its not as easy as saying ' ok i think hes bluffing - i call' ......or ' ok i think he has it this time - i fold

this is because when's he's betting a merge range sometimes you will fold and he was 'value bluffing' 10's . and sometimes you willl call and he shows KK ... 

the whole point is that when you move apart from playing ppl where you know they bluff too little so you can exploitably fold here or where ppl bluff too much so its a snap call- i mean ur average donk is not goin to be value betting 10's here once they get called twice- they will shut down their whole middle range and bet nuts or air..

so against a merged range your not always certain where you are- sometimes you call with worse and sometimes you fold a better hand- 

IDONKCALLU

heres 1  

u got  99   on 10p/20p table u raise 60p u get called by guy on button   flop  is j 2 7  u bet £1  get called turn is q u bet again £2 etc get called river is 2  so board is   j 2 7 q 2  and u still find a £4 bet on the river n get called this kinda hand would be a merge imo 

LnarinOO

imo leave all this to the egomanics and their levelling wars in the high stakes cash games- stick to the good ol fundamentals of the game and know when your betting for value- what worse hand or range that value is coming from and when your bluffing, you know that specific villain is capable of fold that certain part of their range-- 

dont over complecate things for no reason

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Range Merging:

heres 1   u got  99   on 10p/20p table u raise 60p u get called by guy on button   flop  is j 2 7  u bet £1  get called turn is q u bet again £2 etc get called river is 2  so board is   j 2 7 q 2  and u still find a £4 bet on the river n get called this kinda hand would be a merge imo 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

I may be wrong, but I don't think this is a merge situation because on the river our range really doesn't have to be that polarised. I.e. it's not always gonna be nuts or air.

F_Ivanovic

I have a great range merge spot that I remembered from a couple months back. Pretty similar to idonkcallu's scenario. I had 99 and called a 3-bet. Flop was Jxx and they checked to me, I bet. Turn and river were both blanks and I bet big OTT and river. I pretty much knew villain had AK and would call me down!

gazza127

merge???

PE11ATSA	Small blind		40.00	40.00	7135.00
gazza127	Big blind		80.00	120.00	3215.00
	Your hole cards	J J
MelvinBrag	Fold
blind	Call		80.00	200.00	1920.00
middys	Fold
XXX	Raise		160.00	360.00	7100.00
PE11ATSA	Fold
gazza127	Raise		400.00	760.00	2815.00
blind	Fold
XXX	Call		320.00	1080.00	6780.00
Flop
		A A Q
gazza127	Bet		480.00	1560.00	2335.00
XXX	Call		480.00	2040.00	6300.00
Turn
		10
gazza127	Bet		560.00	2600.00	1775.00
XXX	Call		560.00	3160.00	5740.00
River
		7
gazza127	All-in		1775.00	4935.00	0.00
XXX	All-in		5740.00	10675.00	0.00
XXX	Unmatched bet		3965.00	6710.00	3965.00
gazza127	Show	J J
XXX	Show	10 K
gazza127	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks	6710.00		6710.00

LnarinOO

In Response to Re: Range Merging:

merge??? PE11ATSA Small blind   40.00 40.00 7135.00 gazza127 Big blind   80.00 120.00 3215.00   Your hole cards J J       MelvinBrag Fold         blind Call   80.00 200.00 1920.00 middys Fold         XXX Raise   160.00 360.00 7100.00 PE11ATSA Fold         gazza127 Raise   400.00 760.00 2815.00 blind Fold         XXX Call   320.00 1080.00 6780.00 Flop     A A Q       gazza127 Bet   480.00 1560.00 2335.00 XXX Call   480.00 2040.00 6300.00 Turn     10       gazza127 Bet   560.00 2600.00 1775.00 XXX Call   560.00 3160.00 5740.00 River     7       gazza127 All-in   1775.00 4935.00 0.00 XXX All-in   5740.00 10675.00 0.00 XXX Unmatched bet   3965.00 6710.00 3965.00 gazza127 Show J J       XXX Show 10 K       gazza127 Win Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks 6710.00   6710.00
Posted by gazza127

pinggg

IDONKCALLU

yeah that 1 gazza

rancid

wouldn't call this a merge, villians just called u off with a 10

LnarinOO

well its is- villain thinks that gazza is polarised and belives him to be bluffing this time - *fail vs the merged range*

gazza127

In Response to Re: Range Merging:

wouldn't call this a merge, villians just called u off with a 10
Posted by rancid

Come on Rancid i've been trying to merge all bloody week just to get an example!

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: Range Merging:

In Response to Re: Range Merging : Come on Rancid i've been trying to merge all bloody week just to get an example!
Posted by gazza127

I was going to ask how much it's cost you trying to create a good example. lol

It is a good merge, though.

percival09

lolthread

DOHHHHHHH

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/5542879_BC711F65C2

LnarinOO

In Response to Re: Range Merging:

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/5542879_BC711F65C2
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

think you posted this in the wrong thread.. lol