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call flop
shoving is prob the worst
shoving is prob the worst
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If i'm called i'm still not far behind. And if i imrpove eg a queen comes, im never getting paid off.
It's a scarey board.
To keep in their "bluffs"?
But we know it's not a bluff.
If not, then every hand in a nitty villain's 3-betting range either beats us and calls our raise on this flop, or it's an AK or AQ that's missed and just folds. So we get called when we're behind and get folds when we're ahead.
Against AA and KK, we have ten outs. Against QQ, we have six outs. We have a decent chance of winning the hand but we're still an underdog. We're just putting more money into the pot in a bad situation at this point.
Whether we should call the flop is another question. If we don't think villain is bluffing - i.e. he doesn't c-bet AK here - then we are looking to call to hit our draw. However, as you say, it's unlikely that we get paid any more if we do hit that draw... and there may be some reverse implied odds to consider for our two Jack outs.
If we're sure that we can't get any more when we hit our straight, then we should fold. We're getting 28% pot odds with eight outs to a turn. The only implied odds we have are the reverse implied odds on the JJ. The eight straightening outs leave us with 17% (less against QQ) or so chance of hitting on the turn, so it's a fold.
That's all assuming that we can't get paid when our draw hits. How much do we trust that read?
The alternative to folding is to flat, if we think we can get more on later streets or if we believe our JJ might be best some of the time.
While it's hard for opponent not to put me on a set, or a straight. My line doesn't make sense to him, i thought he'd think he was beat.
If i was called i wasn't that far behind.
Maybe a better line would have been to put in a raise, and shove the turn, then it's really difficult for him 2 call.But then i lose equity and am just turning my hand into a total bluff on the turn.
if JJ was against QQ then he would actually have 6 outs because 2 queens have already been taken and the J would give the Q a straight.
with the hand itself one thing I think should be thought about before doing the jam is what sort of hand strength will he be thinking you have when you doing a raise UTG.
had it been when you were on the button suited connectors will be in your range most days. but open bets UTG which when raised is then called shows the signs of a strong hand. think of how you would play sets because most times that's the only hand that you could be holding that scares him QJs maybe but then again the hero could himself be holding QQ so would rule that out.
Some one done it to me tonoight