the fold that cost me 3rd

craigcu12

this short stack was such a complete nit it took for ever to get him to jam

gandalf111	Small blind		3000.00	3000.00	224347.42
westbroo07	Big blind		6000.00	9000.00	236873.49
	Your hole cards	10 J
craigcu12	Fold
OHMYGOD	All-in		12555.12	21555.12	0.00
gandalf111	Call		9555.12	31110.24	214792.30
westbroo07	Call		6555.12	37665.36	230318.37
Flop
		J J 8
gandalf111	Bet		37665.36	75330.72	177126.94
westbroo07	Fold
gandalf111	Unmatched bet		37665.36	37665.36	214792.30
gandalf111	Show	8 A
OHMYGOD	Show	9 Q
Turn
		5
River
		10
OHMYGOD	Win	Straight to the Queen	37665.36		37665.36

so what ends up happening I go out in 4th place myself with this

craigcu12	Small blind		3000.00	3000.00	51058.61
OHMYGOD	Big blind		6000.00	9000.00	70830.72
	Your hole cards	J K
gandalf111	Raise		12000.00	21000.00	190792.30
westbroo07	Fold
craigcu12	All-in		51058.61	72058.61	0.00
OHMYGOD	Fold
gandalf111	Call		42058.61	114117.22	148733.69
craigcu12	Show	J K
gandalf111	Show	A Q
Flop
		6 3 7
Turn
		Q
River
		10
gandalf111	Win	Pair of Queens	114117.22		262850.91

The_Don90

Its strange i think the TJ is a perfect fold, expessially given the stack size of the button, we're not in terrible danger yet either and we're going to have the button in 2 hands. 

The KJ is close. I like your play though. Ul dont worry about that ladder, your KJ gets there (plenty of outs) your going to be in much better shape to be fighting for the win. 

Lambert180

I think they're both folds.

2nd hand we have less than 9xBB and are shoving over an UTG raise, granted it's 4 handed but we're still very unlikely to get folds given his stack size and our stack size, and there are so few hands we'll be happy about seeing. I'd rather jam into an unopened pot with our stack size 4handed, even if it's with A5o or 89s

craigcu12

if you saying i should fold the second hand because of the raise that was done

should i have therefore just did a limp then with this because it was taking that guy forever to even do a jam

craigcu12	Small blind		3000.00	3000.00	126223.97
OHMYGOD	Big blind		6000.00	9000.00	15555.12
	Your hole cards	K 9
gandalf111	Fold
westbroo07	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		21000.00	30000.00	105223.97
OHMYGOD	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		12000.00		117223.97
craigcu12	Return		18000.00	0.00	135223.97

hhyftrftdr

Putting him in with K9 is pretty standard.

Lambert180

No way is that hand a limp or fold or anything other than a shove. We have K9, he has 3xBB. Easiest shove ever.

If by 'taking forever to do a jam' means he was being very tight and folding lots, then thats a reason why we should be minraising non stop and just keep stealing blinds. Not the case above obviously cos he only has 3xBB so no point minraising, just stick him all in as you did.