DYM call/fold

F_Ivanovic

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
X	Small blind		200.00	200.00	1300.00
F_Ivanovic	Big blind		400.00	600.00	5270.00
	Your hole cards	J 10
NordenSoul	Fold
Johnnyh	Fold
X	All-in		1300.00	1900.00	0.00
F_Ivanovic	Call		1100.00	3000.00	4170.00
X	Show	9 8
F_Ivanovic	Show	J 10
Flop
		4 4 7
Turn
		7
River
		J
F_Ivanovic	Win	Two Pairs, Jacks and 7s	3000.00		7170.00

Annoyingly can't see the other stack sizes on HH but they must have had 4830 between them and pretty sure they were both similar so around 2400 each. So I'm a clear chip leader and don't really need to take a gamble. I knew villain would have a wide shoving range tho and getting such good odds am I obliged to call here?

Jac35

I fold

Good odds aren't really a consideration in Dyms.

With the blinds this high, it's quite likely that the other players will go to war before it even comes round to your blinds next time.

Lose and we're back in the pack. Fold and we're still in a really comfortable position.

Phantom66

Fold for me too.

Cardinal sin in a DYM is to double up the short stack

At some point if they are shoving every hand you may need to take a stand but I'm not doing it there especially with J high no matter how connected it is.

Pot odds don't matter when coming 3rd with 1 chip is the same reward as coming 1st with all the chips on the table.

It's all about surviving to the cash.

Fold and leave shorty on 4 BB against x2 6BB players.

If you want to have a bit of play with the bigstack minraise the middle stacks and watch their stacks dwindle.

F_Ivanovic

I know they're of less importance but still should matter somewhat? I mean I need 36% equity vs his range which I should easily have with JTs. He's probably shoving somewhere around 40% of his hands and I have 45% vs that. So 45% of the time we'll win right then. The other 55% I'll be down to 4170 which is still plenty enough to cash. A couple orbits could go round where one player shoves, rest fold and I could be down to that amount anyway and a few more orbits and I'm back in the pack.

FWIW I timed all the way down before calling cause I did think it was really close. Thing is in DYM's when it gets to the bubble is that even though it seems one player should go out soon it can often last a while with nobody wanting to call an all in shove. So when you get a chance to knock someone out for not many chips to risk for you, it must be worth a gamble some of the time? 

 You obviously know DYM's better than me though so maybe you are right!! ICM calculator might be useful here but I'm too lazy to google one right now! At what point do you think it becomes a call? 800 chips more? 600?

NColley

Basically by calling, even though its +cEV, you're giving all the other players a freeroll while you're in a commanding position.

Phantom66

I suspect ICM will say its +EV given the committed blind but that's not the point more about specific dym strategy.

Teddy recommended ICMIZER on another thread - you get some free use each day - haven't had the chance to try it yet.

You are not just chip lead there ia a shorty and you are /> x2 the other players - the chances of you blinding down to their levels are pretty slim by folding here. Call and double up shorty though (which will happen >55% of the time) and other 3 suddenly have less of a need to go to war as they are on similar stacks. Could be in for an unnecessarily lengthy sweat.

Without a shorty at the table you cant even rely on topping your stack up by min raising the middle stacks either.

If there is a shorty there keep them there - fair enough if you have a big enough hand to be a good favourite - or if their stack is so small they are still shorty and you are not damaged much if they win. Or fair enough if there are 2 shorties.

It's not so much about how many more chips you would need I would say its about how many fewer shorty would need (400-500) to make it an easy call.