Good bluff or dumb play?

peter27

This hand was from a while ago, but I suspect I may have had some sort of read on my opponent to even attempt a bluff like this. Just wanted to know if you guys would EVER attempt a bluff with cards like this - or is this play idiotic?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
OC1337	Small blind		75.00	75.00	4455.00
peter27	Big blind		150.00	225.00	1080.00
	Your hole cards	K 5
Danpower	Fold
OC1337	Call		75.00	300.00	4380.00
peter27	Check
Flop
		3 2 7
OC1337	Check
peter27	Bet		150.00	450.00	930.00
OC1337	Call		150.00	600.00	4230.00
Turn
		10
OC1337	Check
peter27	Bet		300.00	900.00	630.00
OC1337	Call		300.00	1200.00	3930.00
River
		4
OC1337	Check
peter27	All-in		630.00	1830.00	0.00
OC1337	Fold
peter27	Muck
peter27	Win		1200.00		1200.00
peter27	Return		630.00	0.00	1830.00

Nero025

I'm wondering why he got all the way to the river. At the flop, I'm thinking he's going for the flush or has hit with something like ace seven. If it is the flush, he's got something like a 36% chance of hitting it from the flop, so given the bet you make (which makes it 3/1 on his money -> 25% chance of winning) is callable. By the turn, your bet is good given the story you present and I would be worried if I was him (he has no info on your hand really, since it's 'hidden' in the BB). The fact that he calls it stinks of a hopeful flush draw for me - though now his odds are only about 18% so he should throw it. Then the river misses and it's yours for the taking

I think you played the bluff well enough but it took some balls. In conclusion, I wouldn't say I'd never play something like this, but it wouldn't be something I'd make a habit of! Though it looks like this guy was just gonna call everything all the way trying to hit the flush so I'm not sure you could have even pushed him off it earlier.

So not a dumb play from you but the odds fell on your side this time. If it were me playing this hand, I'm just looking to fold it at the first oppurtunity and wait for something better to come along, even if your remaining BBs are a bit low.

BorinLoner

Shove pre-flop.

We're playing fewer than ten big blinds and the small blind has limped. K5 will have decent equity against most of the hands he'll call with but a lot of the time he'll just fold.

Post-flop... Half-pot, half-pot, half-pot.

On the flop, alright, we're taking a stab. Once we're called here we've just got to give up. Continuing the bluff is just going to cost us a huge proportion of our already tiny stack. After he calls us on the flop, we have to assume he has some sort of hand and we're not going to get him to fold for the stack we have remaining.

Your half-pot on the river should only really get him to fold his missed flush draws. We beat all of those apart from Ax, which you'd expect him to have shoved pre-flop anyway... If he has a made hand, he should now call us. This time he folded but I think we're better off not putting the rest of our stack in. Just hand on to your 4BB and shove any Ace, King, decent Queen or pair before you hit the big blind again.


All of the post-flop stuff is irrelevant, though. We should be shoving pre-flop unless we have specific reason to think that the villain's limp must mean a strong hand.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: Good bluff or dumb play?:

Shove pre-flop. We're playing fewer than ten big blinds and the small blind has limped. K5 will have decent equity against most of the hands he'll call with but a lot of the time he'll just fold. Post-flop... Half-pot, half-pot, half-pot. On the flop, alright, we're taking a stab. Once we're called here we've just got to give up. Continuing the bluff is just going to cost us a huge proportion of our already tiny stack. After he calls us on the flop, we have to assume he has some sort of hand and we're not going to get him to fold for the stack we have remaining. Your half-pot on the river should only really get him to fold his missed flush draws. We beat all of those apart from Ax, which you'd expect him to have shoved pre-flop anyway... If he has a made hand, he should now call us. This time he folded but I think we're better off not putting the rest of our stack in. Just hand on to your 4BB and shove any Ace, King, decent Queen or pair before you hit the big blind again. All of the post-flop stuff is irrelevant, though. We should be shoving pre-flop unless we have specific reason to think that the villain's limp must mean a strong hand.
Posted by BorinLoner

Didn't need to read past the first 3 words.

Just shove pre flop.

You have a really strong hand here.

Lambert180

As BL said, just shove pre, you dont have the stack to be doing anything but shoving or folding pre

peter27

Alright, took me a while to get round to analysing this but thanks for the replies :-)