Interesting Hand, marginal call/ fold

LARSON7

Interested on opinions here whether you think this is a call or fold on the turn,

Opponents range here is exclusivly Queens or Kings, maybe would have 5 bet kings? But it would still make sense to flat 4 bet.

You don't get much time on sky to think but i sigh called the turn bet, it was pretty marginal.

Opponent is a regular play across different mastercash tables!

LARSON7	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£19.45
largejoe	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£11.66
	Your hole cards	A A
l	Raise		£0.30	£0.45	£18.65
Beedis007	Fold
BIGSHANN	Fold
x	Raise		£1.05	£1.50	£18.95
LARSON7	Raise		£3.25	£4.75	£16.20
largejoe	Fold
l2	Call		£3.00	£7.75	£15.65
x	Call		£2.25	£10.00	£16.70
Flop
		Q 10 2
LARSON7	Check
l2	Check
x	Bet		£4.70	£14.70	£12.00
LARSON7	Call		£4.70	£19.40	£11.50
l	Call		£4.70	£24.10	£10.95
Turn
		3
LARSON7	Check
l	Check
x	All-in		£12.00	£36.10	£0.00
LARSON7	All-in		£11.50	£47.60	£0.00
l	Fold

Lambert180

IF their range is genuinely KK/QQ then it's basically flipping whether you're crushing or being crushed and you have WAY better odds than 50/50 so have to call cos they'd probably take the exact same line with both hands.

I'd imagine they have AK in their range too although probably only take the line they have postflop with AKhh.

BorinLoner

There's one thing I'd like to clarify:

When you say the villain's range is exclusively QQ or KK, at what point do you have this read? Is that his range when he makes the 3-bet or when he flats your 4-bet?

If it's the latter, and he can only call your 4-bet with QQ or KK, then maybe we shouldn't be 4-betting. It's tough to play out of position, but we don't want to narrow our opponents' ranges down so much that we're only getting value from the very best few hands.

If our 4-bet is narrowing his range down to these hands, simply because it's so big, maybe that sizing is an issue.

If it's the former and we're narrowing his range down to QQ or KK for making the 3-bet... I almost think we should just 4-bet shove. That's a huge over-raise but if his range is already that narrow, why not? Certainly we can 4-bet bigger (Even though our 4-bet was a big one already).


Obviously the above doesn't consider the UTG raiser's range and the hands he'd fold, flat or 4-bet with himself. It's just an option to consider flatting here.


The 4-bet size is definitely something that needs justifying. It's pretty big. That's fine if you think one of the villain's will station you wide but you don't seem to think so. (You did get two calls, though, so... yey!)


Given your reads that villain can only have KK or QQ here and he does play post-flop exactly the same way with both, then Lambert's right; we can't fold. We actually are better than 50/50 because there are only 3 combinations of QQ the villain can have and 6 combinations of KK.


It's a pretty amazing read to think you can narrow his range down so much. I'd say that, if we can do so, we've probably made a mistake somewhere along the line.

BorinLoner

If we're not narrowing the villain's range to KK or QQ pre-flop, then we should definitely just bet this flop. If the villains have a wider range for flatting our 4-bet, this is a good flop to get value on.