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20NL - Line Check
Villian is a multi-tabling reg who generally plays very solid and straight forward.
Could 3bet pre but choose not to in this case. Villian has started minning the BTN recently, probably because they fold to 3bets lots so just making it cheaper to raise/fold when blind stealing.
Very unlikely villain has connected with the flop unless he has 22/33/44/55, 66 for a GS or he shares my GS with some Ax but most of these hands I can get to fold to further pressure on later streets. Obviously he has like all the 'standard' FD combos most people would raise the BTN with. Can have a few bigger OPs but think they can fold to pressure and I reckon with any really big OPs he'd just be unbalanced and raise them 3x pre
Turn should be bigger.
Can't v-bet river, can we bluff catch or do we just c/f?
Could 3bet pre but choose not to in this case. Villian has started minning the BTN recently, probably because they fold to 3bets lots so just making it cheaper to raise/fold when blind stealing.
Very unlikely villain has connected with the flop unless he has 22/33/44/55, 66 for a GS or he shares my GS with some Ax but most of these hands I can get to fold to further pressure on later streets. Obviously he has like all the 'standard' FD combos most people would raise the BTN with. Can have a few bigger OPs but think they can fold to pressure and I reckon with any really big OPs he'd just be unbalanced and raise them 3x pre
Turn should be bigger.
Can't v-bet river, can we bluff catch or do we just c/f?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| tiggerma30 | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £37.21 | |
| Lambert180 | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £28.12 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| PhilAny2_Q | Fold | ||||
| Goldtia | Fold | ||||
| ThatsHim | Fold | ||||
| X | Raise | £0.40 | £0.70 | £40.30 | |
| tiggerma30 | Fold | ||||
| Lambert180 | Call | £0.20 | £0.90 | £27.92 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| Lambert180 | Check | ||||
| X | Bet | £0.60 | £1.50 | £39.70 | |
| Lambert180 | Raise | £1.80 | £3.30 | £26.12 | |
| X | Call | £1.20 | £4.50 | £38.50 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| Lambert180 | Bet | £2.40 | £6.90 | £23.72 | |
| X | Call | £2.40 | £9.30 | £36.10 | |
| River | |||||
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| Lambert180 | Check | ||||
| X | Bet | £6.60 | £15.90 | £29.50 | |
| Lambert180 | Call | £6.60 | £22.50 | £17.12 | |
Comments
To the hand; Pre can't fold A10 to a button min otherwise were folding way to much lol. Don't mind 3bet or call. Flop is fine. Turn bet slightly more for value against FD's or gutshot + overs. River I'm definitely calling as played. All the draws missed and a decent multi-tabling reg would never play a set like this imo.
Btw gl taking your shot at going pro.
Villian has never raised any size but min on the button in the last million hands he has played you mean^^
Lol fair enough, maybe I'm going mad then, thought I'd seen you 3x'ing from all positions in the past, maybe I'm just not paying enough attention or confusing you with someone else. It wasn't a dig btw.
Villian is Tosh obv
Its 3x from all positions except button where I always 2x it.
I'll give some feedback since I'm actually posting instead of my normal lurking.
You played river perfectly, def most +ev is to check/call there.
Its probably a better idea to 3 bet that hand pre, peeling oop with such a strong hand that you will struggle to realise th equity from is wasteful. The raise on flop is kinda meh...you have the best hand a lot of the time and you get me to fold my equity at least but you are turning your hand into a bluff. Turn sizing as has been said is too small. River already discussed.
We have a hand that figures to be best pre-flop so we call to see a flop. Then we miss (gut-shot aside) and we check-raise. Why? If we're going to do that, why not 3-bet pre-flop before we have a chance to miss the flop?
When our check-raise is called, we're likely to have very little equity and we're just hoping the villain isn't going to call down against a hand that should rarely ever be anything better than a semi-bluff. If we have a set, are we check-raising on a board that is so likely to miss the button's range? Are we check-raising 88? It's really not that wet a board.
I think it's a pretty bad spot to be check-raising and I'm really not sure of the logic of it. Alright, we might steal some of the villain's equity if he folds his QJ, K9 or whatever.
The justification for value betting the river would be that the villain could be bluff-catching with his 66-99 or could have floated our flop raise with some random JT type hand, just because our line is so unconvincing he thinks he can take it down on later streets. On the other hand, there are more 89 type hands in those floats which we want to bluff.
The trouble with check-calling is that we only exploit his non Qx missed draws and only then if the villain doesn't think our check on the river is just to let him bet. Presumably the nut-flush draw may 3-bet the flop, anyway.
On the whole, I'd think betting the river is marginally best (assuming the villain is good enough to see our check as what it is and so choose not to bluff, even just a small proportion of the time)... I think there needs to be more justification of what we're thinking when we check-raise this flop, though. It's not enough just to think about the range of the villain, we need to consider the range we're repping. I think we only rep semi-bluffs.
Surprised your questionning the call otr! Call all day long
Prefer c/c on river Ivan. If we bet were effectively turning our hand into a bluff vs multi tabling reg. If it was a loose rec who's just gonna station with 66 then maybe. Still prefer c/c tho given every draw bricked.
As played up to the river after taking this line I am defo betting the river for value. And if I have checked I am calling to answer your question.
whats the reason for raising the flop as played id call river
By the river, all the draws have missed. We can bet for value against the villain's bluff catcher's or check and hope the villain has a draw himself - which is probably not Ace-high and we hope isn't Queen-high - and that he doesn't see right through us: If we have a draw, we're check-giving-up, so there's little point in the villain betting a weaker hand than our Ten. If we have a value hand we're checking to induce so, again, little point in the villain betting a weaker value hand than our Ten.
Betting the river sounds like the right option to me, as the hand was played. I still don't like the check-raise though. As I say, we're only repping semi-bluffs at best. Most of the time we're full of the brown stuff because this board makes it tough for our value raises to be called when we're holding sets, etc.
Of course, there could be some levelling going on that makes us think the villain will perceive this check-raise as strength because he knows that we know that he knows it smells funky...